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Old 11-15-2012, 11:24 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Its amazing how many pessimists are on this site. The only reason I can see people suggesting going to a breeder with papers to find a GSD is about money...and its obvious by the breeders that they want the money that's why they say dont buy a "poorly bred" GSD. Poorly bred? Im sorry, X-rays and tests will not be 100% certain that the pups will be perfect. In my area I looked for several months to find a GSD, they are not easy to come by at all, within 100 mile radius. Ones I called on were gone instantly. I know what my dog is, I dont need a piece of paper telling me... im sorry that is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Unless you are a breeder or into showing... the piece of paper is worthless and only ups the price of the dog. My dogs are family...papers or not. My male I could have pursued and got the papers but regardless hes still what he is....im not a breeder nor do I plan on making bank off some puppies. Also my "dime a dozen" dogs have no issues. A million dollar dog can develop the same issues a dime store dog can... unless you are god and can prevent that???
This reaction tells me this breeding was not an accident. How sad.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:06 AM   #32 (permalink)
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This reaction tells me this breeding was not an accident. How sad.
My thoughts exactly. When I think of oops litters...I can't remember who it was, but someone on this site got a bitch from a breeder. The breeder had bought her to breed, but all attempts proved futile and it seemed the bitch was sterile, so she found her a home. It was a longshot and a huge shock when she wound up pregnant.

This seems like someone trying to justify the decision to breed their dogs.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:10 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Well there are no such things as "oops" and the cavalier manner in which this was posted is quite probably a clue.
If you "grew up on a farm", you already know how to create babies and how to prevent such.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:19 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I think, in some (not most) circumstances, there are "oops" or accidental litters.

My grandpa had a cattle dog. When she came into her first heat, he locked her in the shed when the other dogs when out to work. A neighbor's bulldog literally CHEWED through the wall into the shed and bred her.

So, in some extreme circumstances, I do believe that there are accidental litters. I believe they're seldom purebred, though. That's too convenient.
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Even then...a spay works wonders to keep the boys at bay

And if you're honest about not wanting puppies most vets will perform a "pregnant spay" early on, some up to the delivery day.
And breeders who experience an "oops" have the option to give their girls a shot (that makes conception impossible) I believe. Or last I knew, they did.
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:14 AM   #36 (permalink)
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You can do a spay/abort. They will spay the bitch and humanely euthanize the puppies when they remove them.

The mismate shot is still around but has the potential for serious complications.

If you decide to whelp the pups I would recommend having them spayed/neutered before placing them in their new homes.

Your opinions on "papers" and breeders are just that - YOUR opinions.

The facts are completely different.
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The problem with breeding "blindly", by that I mean with now history of health or genetic or temperment defects is a breed like GSDs... who have TONS of these things, is very risky. I'm not one whos going to bash about this. I'm not a breeder or an expert. I have had backyard breeder dogs that were perfect and wonderful. Just be aware: GSDs as a breed have an extremely high risk of serious, painful, heart breaking health issues if you are not very careful. Your dogs can be perfectly beautiful and healthy, but carry a gene that will cause major pain and suffering in a good percentage of their pups, and break peoples hearts trying to help them. I don't think ANYONE who loves a GSD wants to contribute to these problems in the breed. (thats why people hit the warpath on this subject) Papers don't mean a thing... knowing the history of problems, be it healthwise or "mental" in the families of the dogs you are breeding means ALOT. I wish you luck. I had a couple litters in the long ago past... my bitch was fine with me being around, but anyone else the 1st couple weeks got too close and she would have KILLED them, so just pay attention to what your girl is telling you. Mine was not any different while pregnant (and got in a horrible fight with a Rottie protecting our kids just a week before whelp.. ) Make sure to read up on nutrition for preggers bitches
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Im sorry, I dont stress myself out about anything. Your interpretation of my post has nothing to do with the reality of it.

Your posts have made your reality very clear.
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