Mother won't bond or feed her new born puppies

cevans · 02-02-2012, 02:16 PM

First off what a great site! My issue is that the Mother delivered 8 puppies last night, only cleaning about half of them, won't allow them to feed.
She's already bit one, pretty bad, the pup may not survive.

We don't trust her with them now, so what can we do? We've been bottle feeding every 2 hours. Is there a way to still have the mother feed her pups. Has anyone gone through this? Yes we will bring them to a vet for a check up!

thank you!

Emoore · 02-02-2012, 02:21 PM

This happened to my MIL years ago. We got Esbilac and had to bottle-feed the puppies (there were 14 of them) every hour, 24 hours a day in shifts. You also have to rub their tummies to stimulate digestion, and clean them of excrement.

Your vet should have better directions.

Edit: we had to keep the mom and puppies separated because she'd kill them.

Shaina · 02-02-2012, 02:21 PM

My old boss who bred working line shepherds for a while had a female that would kill her puppies. She had to use another mother to feed the pups and it never changed. I know that's not the best news, and I hope that an experienced breeder will help you.

onyx'girl · 02-02-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaina

My old boss who bred working line shepherds for a while had a female that would kill her puppies. She had to use another mother to feed the pups and it never changed. I know that's not the best news, and I hope that an experienced breeder will help you.

Why would your boss breed her again when he knew she was not a nurturing mother?

cevans, I hope the pups thrive for you, and welcome to the site.

msvette2u · 02-02-2012, 03:15 PM

Don't let her near the puppies unless you want dead puppies.
Spay her after this is over, don't breed her again.

Bottle-feeding and hand-raising newborn orphaned puppies, whelping supplies, and recipes for supplementing new born orphans - from Chinaroad Lowchens of Australia Great advice here.

**Chris Wild** · 02-02-2012, 03:37 PM

You need to get the puppies eating some from the mother. Even if you supplement with tube or bottlefeeding, it is important for them to nurse from the mother *within the first 24 hours* in order to pick up the antibodies in her colostrum.

If you have to muzzle her and sit on her to allow that to happen, so be it.

You may find that if you can force her to nurse the pups, her attitude toward them will change once the hormones released as a byproduct of nursing get coursing through her system. Then again, she may never take to the pups. Either way do not leave her alone with them for even a moment, and please spay her as soon as possible after this is all over.

Shaina · 02-02-2012, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by onyx'girl

Why would your boss breed her again when he knew she was not a nurturing mother?

cevans, I hope the pups thrive for you, and welcome to the site.

When I said "never changed" I meant as the pups grew older the mother didn't suddenly take to the puppies through training or anything, not that she bred multiple times.

**Chris Wild** · 02-02-2012, 03:40 PM

The goak milk based home-made puppy formula recipe on this site is far superior to Esbilac or any of the commonly available milk replacers for feeding the pups.

Leerburg | Bottle Feeding

BlackthornGSD · 02-02-2012, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Wild

You need to get the puppies eating some from the mother. Even if you supplement with tube or bottlefeeding, it is important for them to nurse from the mother *within the first 24 hours* in order to pick up the antibodies in her colostrum.

If you have to muzzle her and sit on her to allow that to happen, so be it.

You may find that if you can force her to nurse the pups, her attitude toward them will change once the hormones released as a byproduct of nursing get coursing through her system. Then again, she may never take to the pups. Either way do not leave her alone with them for even a moment, and please spay her as soon as possible after this is all over.

Chris is spot on here.

IOW, ^^ WHAT SHE SAID.

Best of luck--I know this is a stressful and heartwrenching situation.

wyominggrandma · 02-02-2012, 09:04 PM

Goats milk is much much better. Use the formula found on the web site. Esbilac and other commercial foods have been known to cause cataracts in puppies.
You might try muzzling her to let them nurse, but like everyone else said, don't let her alone with them for one second, that is all it will take to kill the babies. Is this a maiden bitch? Has she had other litters before? Sometimes she is in pain from full breasts and the puppies not emptying them , so a maiden bitch will assume its the puppies and want to make them quit nursing. You might be lucky enough that once the babies nurse a few times, she will relax, but again, even if she will let them nurse, don't trust her at all. NEVER.
Spay her and don't let her have babies again.

02-02-2012, 02:16 PM	#1 (permalink)
cevans New Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1	Mother won't bond or feed her new born puppies First off what a great site! My issue is that the Mother delivered 8 puppies last night, only cleaning about half of them, won't allow them to feed. She's already bit one, pretty bad, the pup may not survive. We don't trust her with them now, so what can we do? We've been bottle feeding every 2 hours. Is there a way to still have the mother feed her pups. Has anyone gone through this? Yes we will bring them to a vet for a check up! thank you!

02-02-2012, 02:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
Emoore Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North DFW, TX Posts: 9,214	This happened to my MIL years ago. We got Esbilac and had to bottle-feed the puppies (there were 14 of them) every hour, 24 hours a day in shifts. You also have to rub their tummies to stimulate digestion, and clean them of excrement. Your vet should have better directions. Edit: we had to keep the mom and puppies separated because she'd kill them. __________________ Rocky vom Backyard- 10 years young Kopper vom Felssclucht Bach - 17 months At the Bridge: Cash van der Animal Shelter 2006-2010

02-02-2012, 02:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
Shaina Master Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 752	My old boss who bred working line shepherds for a while had a female that would kill her puppies. She had to use another mother to feed the pups and it never changed. I know that's not the best news, and I hope that an experienced breeder will help you. __________________ "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semihuman. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming partly a dog." - Edward Hoagland

02-02-2012, 03:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
msvette2u Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Beautiful Pacific NW Posts: 5,505	Don't let her near the puppies unless you want dead puppies. Spay her after this is over, don't breed her again. Bottle-feeding and hand-raising newborn orphaned puppies, whelping supplies, and recipes for supplementing new born orphans - from Chinaroad Lowchens of Australia Great advice here. __________________ Ruger v. Sunnyside Stray 4-11-11

02-02-2012, 03:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	You need to get the puppies eating some from the mother. Even if you supplement with tube or bottlefeeding, it is important for them to nurse from the mother within the first 24 hours in order to pick up the antibodies in her colostrum. If you have to muzzle her and sit on her to allow that to happen, so be it. You may find that if you can force her to nurse the pups, her attitude toward them will change once the hormones released as a byproduct of nursing get coursing through her system. Then again, she may never take to the pups. Either way do not leave her alone with them for even a moment, and please spay her as soon as possible after this is all over. __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

02-02-2012, 03:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	The goak milk based home-made puppy formula recipe on this site is far superior to Esbilac or any of the commonly available milk replacers for feeding the pups. Leerburg \| Bottle Feeding __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

02-02-2012, 09:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
wyominggrandma Master Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 983	Goats milk is much much better. Use the formula found on the web site. Esbilac and other commercial foods have been known to cause cataracts in puppies. You might try muzzling her to let them nurse, but like everyone else said, don't let her alone with them for one second, that is all it will take to kill the babies. Is this a maiden bitch? Has she had other litters before? Sometimes she is in pain from full breasts and the puppies not emptying them , so a maiden bitch will assume its the puppies and want to make them quit nursing. You might be lucky enough that once the babies nurse a few times, she will relax, but again, even if she will let them nurse, don't trust her at all. NEVER. Spay her and don't let her have babies again.

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