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Old 02-02-2012, 02:16 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Mother won't bond or feed her new born puppies

First off what a great site! My issue is that the Mother delivered 8 puppies last night, only cleaning about half of them, won't allow them to feed.
She's already bit one, pretty bad, the pup may not survive.

We don't trust her with them now, so what can we do? We've been bottle feeding every 2 hours. Is there a way to still have the mother feed her pups. Has anyone gone through this? Yes we will bring them to a vet for a check up!

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This happened to my MIL years ago. We got Esbilac and had to bottle-feed the puppies (there were 14 of them) every hour, 24 hours a day in shifts. You also have to rub their tummies to stimulate digestion, and clean them of excrement.

Your vet should have better directions.

Edit: we had to keep the mom and puppies separated because she'd kill them.
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My old boss who bred working line shepherds for a while had a female that would kill her puppies. She had to use another mother to feed the pups and it never changed. I know that's not the best news, and I hope that an experienced breeder will help you.
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My old boss who bred working line shepherds for a while had a female that would kill her puppies. She had to use another mother to feed the pups and it never changed. I know that's not the best news, and I hope that an experienced breeder will help you.
Why would your boss breed her again when he knew she was not a nurturing mother?

cevans, I hope the pups thrive for you, and welcome to the site.
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Don't let her near the puppies unless you want dead puppies.
Spay her after this is over, don't breed her again.

Bottle-feeding and hand-raising newborn orphaned puppies, whelping supplies, and recipes for supplementing new born orphans - from Chinaroad Lowchens of Australia Great advice here.
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You need to get the puppies eating some from the mother. Even if you supplement with tube or bottlefeeding, it is important for them to nurse from the mother *within the first 24 hours* in order to pick up the antibodies in her colostrum.

If you have to muzzle her and sit on her to allow that to happen, so be it.

You may find that if you can force her to nurse the pups, her attitude toward them will change once the hormones released as a byproduct of nursing get coursing through her system. Then again, she may never take to the pups. Either way do not leave her alone with them for even a moment, and please spay her as soon as possible after this is all over.
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Why would your boss breed her again when he knew she was not a nurturing mother?

cevans, I hope the pups thrive for you, and welcome to the site.
When I said "never changed" I meant as the pups grew older the mother didn't suddenly take to the puppies through training or anything, not that she bred multiple times.
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The goak milk based home-made puppy formula recipe on this site is far superior to Esbilac or any of the commonly available milk replacers for feeding the pups.

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You need to get the puppies eating some from the mother. Even if you supplement with tube or bottlefeeding, it is important for them to nurse from the mother *within the first 24 hours* in order to pick up the antibodies in her colostrum.

If you have to muzzle her and sit on her to allow that to happen, so be it.

You may find that if you can force her to nurse the pups, her attitude toward them will change once the hormones released as a byproduct of nursing get coursing through her system. Then again, she may never take to the pups. Either way do not leave her alone with them for even a moment, and please spay her as soon as possible after this is all over.
Chris is spot on here.

IOW, ^^ WHAT SHE SAID.

Best of luck--I know this is a stressful and heartwrenching situation.
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Goats milk is much much better. Use the formula found on the web site. Esbilac and other commercial foods have been known to cause cataracts in puppies.
You might try muzzling her to let them nurse, but like everyone else said, don't let her alone with them for one second, that is all it will take to kill the babies. Is this a maiden bitch? Has she had other litters before? Sometimes she is in pain from full breasts and the puppies not emptying them , so a maiden bitch will assume its the puppies and want to make them quit nursing. You might be lucky enough that once the babies nurse a few times, she will relax, but again, even if she will let them nurse, don't trust her at all. NEVER.
Spay her and don't let her have babies again.
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