Promote Ethical Dog Breeding Group

GSD Fan · 01-10-2012, 05:28 PM

I wanted this one more try, would any of you like to join a group on facebook called "Promote Ethical Dog Breeding"?

**Andaka** · 01-10-2012, 09:48 PM

I don't do Facebook.

cliffson1 · 01-10-2012, 10:01 PM

I don't know the definition of ethical dog breeding, and a lot of breeders that many think are ethical, I think are screwing up the breed....so I guess I wouldn't be a good candidate.

**lhczth** · 01-11-2012, 02:35 PM

I am with Cliff. What is ethical dog breeding?

**Chris Wild** · 01-11-2012, 02:54 PM

My vote is with Lisa and Cliff on this.

Emoore · 01-11-2012, 03:23 PM

The accepted ethical standard in dog breeding is normative relativism. You're never going to get an ethical breeder to call another breeder unethical; that's for us Old Testament moralistic crusaders to do.

**ladylaw203** · 01-11-2012, 04:15 PM

Here is the problem. Ethical is a relative term. What is it? One person's opinion might differ greatly from the next

show folks criticize working line folks and vice versa. Only breed V rated dogs? what about we with SG working dogs. See? a problem

Catu · 01-11-2012, 04:24 PM

PETA will say that any animal breeding is unethical.

Other involved in Animal Rights or rescue will say that that dog breeding per se is unethical, specially given the amount of stray dogs and dogs in shelters.

Darwinist will say that purebred dogs goes against the laws of nature.

Many think that breeding for aggression traits and fight drive is unethical.

In some breeds, like your huskies, some think that breeding for working traits is unethical, because mushing is cruel. Same goes for military, police and SAR, where dogs put their lives in danger to help humans.

Is my personal opinion that show breeding is unethical.

So... What is unethical in your Facebook group?

**Castlemaid** · 01-11-2012, 04:26 PM

Another problem with this, is what if someone, who according to your standards and definition, wants to join your facebook group? Do you screen members and either accept or deny them? What if someone passes your screening criteria, join the group, and other members consider this new person to be an unethical breeder, for a number of reasons that you know nothing about.

Would someone who considers themself ethical find themself in a social group of breeders who they don't consider ethical - does that reflect on them for being part of the same group espousing the same values?

I think in theory, promoting such a group is wonderful, but full of mixed signals in practice.

selzer · 01-11-2012, 04:50 PM

If you start a group to combat bad canine legislation, HSUS, and PETA, I would join but I am terrible with facebook. It really isn't the media medium I am comfortable with.

01-10-2012, 05:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
GSD Fan Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: MS Posts: 1,128	Promote Ethical Dog Breeding Group I wanted this one more try, would any of you like to join a group on facebook called "Promote Ethical Dog Breeding"?

01-10-2012, 09:48 PM	#2 (permalink)
Andaka "I like Daffy" Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Douglas, IL ( near St. Louis) Posts: 2,435	I don't do Facebook. __________________ Daphne and the Gang at Andaka Where Beauty and Brains Come Together http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/germ...&results_in=10 Home of Ch Natty; Ch Doll; Jag RA (ch ptd); Sara RN (ch ptd); Bella (the new one); and Fisher (Mr. Evil) At the Bridge: Ch Kahla CD; Ch Keno UD HSAs OA; Ch Kizzy HSAs RE; Ch Tag CD RAE2; Ch Pharra; Bee PT; Ch Red the Dachshund

01-11-2012, 02:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
lhczth Administrator & LOTR Addict Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 11,695	I am with Cliff. What is ethical dog breeding? __________________ Lisa Clark Zu Treuen Händen Working German Shepherd Dogs *South Michigan SchH and Police Club*

01-11-2012, 02:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	My vote is with Lisa and Cliff on this. __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

01-11-2012, 03:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
Emoore Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North DFW, TX Posts: 9,214	The accepted ethical standard in dog breeding is normative relativism. You're never going to get an ethical breeder to call another breeder unethical; that's for us Old Testament moralistic crusaders to do. __________________ Rocky vom Backyard- 10 years young Kopper vom Felssclucht Bach - 17 months At the Bridge: Cash van der Animal Shelter 2006-2010 Last edited by Emoore; 01-11-2012 at 03:26 PM.

01-10-2012, 10:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
cliffson1 Knighted Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,929	I don't know the definition of ethical dog breeding, and a lot of breeders that many think are ethical, I think are screwing up the breed....so I guess I wouldn't be a good candidate.

01-11-2012, 04:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
ladylaw203 Moderator Join Date: May 2001 Location: Beaumont,Texas Posts: 4,752	Here is the problem. Ethical is a relative term. What is it? One person's opinion might differ greatly from the next show folks criticize working line folks and vice versa. Only breed V rated dogs? what about we with SG working dogs. See? a problem __________________ Renee Utley Port Authority Police KaroSkocickaSamotaZM,ZOP,ZPU,FPR,FPR,ZVV1,ZZZ,ZZP, RHE,ZM TART, IRO titled SAR dog ZVV1 Gabbi Mariko Bohemia ZVV1 Jessy Vikar www.nndda.org, Certifying official http://www.voneintzeshepherds.com

01-11-2012, 04:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
Catu Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Valdivia, Chile Posts: 4,269	PETA will say that any animal breeding is unethical. Other involved in Animal Rights or rescue will say that that dog breeding per se is unethical, specially given the amount of stray dogs and dogs in shelters. Darwinist will say that purebred dogs goes against the laws of nature. Many think that breeding for aggression traits and fight drive is unethical. In some breeds, like your huskies, some think that breeding for working traits is unethical, because mushing is cruel. Same goes for military, police and SAR, where dogs put their lives in danger to help humans. Is my personal opinion that show breeding is unethical. So... What is unethical in your Facebook group? __________________ "The dog does not need to be deranked so much as the people need to learn to act like people worth listening to" Suzanne Clothier. Diabla, my Daemon; SchH A, RH-T A Akela, my Direwolf; Work in Progress Bagheera, Long term puppy host

01-11-2012, 04:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
Castlemaid Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Northern British Columbia Posts: 9,088	Another problem with this, is what if someone, who according to your standards and definition, wants to join your facebook group? Do you screen members and either accept or deny them? What if someone passes your screening criteria, join the group, and other members consider this new person to be an unethical breeder, for a number of reasons that you know nothing about. Would someone who considers themself ethical find themself in a social group of breeders who they don't consider ethical - does that reflect on them for being part of the same group espousing the same values? I think in theory, promoting such a group is wonderful, but full of mixed signals in practice. __________________ Lucia Keeta BH, OB1, TR1, AD (HOT) Rottweiler/Hairy Dog mix?? Shelter rescue Gryffon Vom Wildhaus BH, OFA Good (HOT) "Bites Through the Sleeve" Cuddlebug, b: Mar 2009

01-11-2012, 04:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 17,499	If you start a group to combat bad canine legislation, HSUS, and PETA, I would join but I am terrible with facebook. It really isn't the media medium I am comfortable with. __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

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