Puppies on their way!

[Castlemaid]

I suggest people start a thread in chat or stories to talk about irresponsible owners.

In the meantime, this is the breeding section, let's keep the focus on making sure that the OP gets the help she needs to make sure her bitch and the pups come through this okay.

Thank you.

[lhczth]

People, the deed is done. All we can do is hope to protect the female and the puppies from disaster.

To the OP: Do you know exactly when your female was bred so you have an idea of her due date? Females can whelp as early as 59 days post breeding and up to 67 days (that would be uncommon). From day 57 on I would be taking her temperature 2 X per day (rectal). Most females will drop to below 99 degrees and some as low as 98 degrees 24 hours before they whelp. Most females start nesting a few hours and even the day before they whelp. I have never seen a GSD bitch shiver as a sign or labor. I have heard of this in small/toy breeds.

I would have a vet on call.

I would do a search since we have had threads recently about preparing for puppies ad the supplies needed.

I would be there for your bitch. Don't her to do this on her own. Things happen and she could die without vet assistance. She is very young and not physically mature. She is also not mentally mature so I would not leave her alone with the puppies for at least a couple of days.

[ladylaw203]

I have been breeding dogs a long time and never had one shiver.
That being said. You need to start feeding her a lot of yogurt.
As she is whelping, every pup or two,feed her vanilla ice cream,yes,vanilla ice cream. I learned this from a vet long ago. Boosts the glucose level quicker than an IV and kick starts more contractions.
When is this dog due? would have been advantageous to have shot an xray and counted pups.

[jcojocaru]

My previous dog, I let him out to go to the bathroom. He never ran to the street prior to that. I was very sick so I stood by the door and waited for him. I guess this forum isn't a very good place to go for advice as all I get is judgment and people who think they're so much better than me. I'm not in any way saying I'm better than anyone.

1. I do have a vet on standby and an experienced friend as well.
2. I have taken all the steps necessary, I didn't just sit around and "make excuses".
3. Stop treating animals like people. Until you know how I treat my dogs, don't accuse me of being a "irresponsible owner". I don't need to get my pets spayed. It's unnatural and if you're going to treat an animal like a human, why not go get yourself spayed as well? If my dogs are going to do something completely natural, big deal. I'm taking all the steps necessary to ensure all goes well.

Those of you who are actually trying to help, thank you. I appreciate it. There's a reason I'm here, for help. Not idiots with a "high and mighty" attitude.

[GSD Fan]

Originally Posted by jcojocaru

Bailey is very near the end of her pregnancy. She is at the stage where she will not get up and I cannot even make her get up. She only gets up to go to the bathroom and eat/drink. Just a bit ago she was shivering (for those who don't know, one of the signs that the puppies are nearly on their way, a result of contractions).

This will be my very first time with this experience and I am looking forward to it. I've been looking forward to this day for quite a while now and it is finally here!

Since I have not yet had any experience, advice would be great. I've done research and have a friend who is a breeder who I can go to, and trust his information, but if you guys have advice on:
1. Things I need to do to treat the puppies (I know I need to deworm them every two weeks until 8 weeks old).
2. Things I need to sell the puppies. My dogs are not showline dogs so from what I hear a pedigree is somewhat pointless as it is usually show dog owners who ask for it.

Any information would be great!
Thank you.

I hope you will at least consider the advice in this thread. Some of it may have been harsh, but these GSD people love their dogs and the breed. They want the best for their breed and seeing a breeder who does not breed to the best standards angers them. You have to understand that if you going to breed and possibly add more to the animals dieing in shelters and roaming the streets, you MUST make the gain outweigh the risk. You MUST produce dogs that add to the breed and make the breed and dogs better companions or what they are bred for OVERALL.

The breed and other breeds need more good and ethical breeders and you can become that. However, it takes work and dedication. There are no short cuts.

What I suggest you do is after this litter, spay and neuter your female and male. As for the puppies, ask a rescue or shelter to help evaluate them and place them in good homes.

Then, since you had two GSDs, take a look at what goes into ethical and responsible breeding. See if you want to do that. People preach about the bad parts of breeding, but there are good parts that make it worth it to some people.

As for the people who bashed her or him, please don't be offended by this, but I know what this person is going through being bashed by dog people. What made me change my views on dogs and german shepherds were the people who nice to me. When you bash a person, you end up losing them.

[jcojocaru]

Originally Posted by lhczth

People, the deed is done. All we can do is hope to protect the female and the puppies from disaster.

To the OP: Do you know exactly when your female was bred so you have an idea of her due date? Females can whelp as early as 59 days post breeding and up to 67 days (that would be uncommon). From day 57 on I would be taking her temperature 2 X per day (rectal). Most females will drop to below 99 degrees and some as low as 98 degrees 24 hours before they whelp. Most females start nesting a few hours and even the day before they whelp. I have never seen a GSD bitch shiver as a sign or labor. I have heard of this in small/toy breeds.

I would have a vet on call.

I would do a search since we have had threads recently about preparing for puppies ad the supplies needed.

I would be there for your bitch. Don't her to do this on her own. Things happen and she could die without vet assistance. She is very young and not physically mature. She is also not mentally mature so I would not leave her alone with the puppies for at least a couple of days.

I am honestly not very sure. I always paid very close attention to my dogs and I have not seen any signs of Bailey being in heat. I keep them together because when I'm not around they're happy together and that's the reason I got two in the first place.

I am probably going to take her to the vet because it seems more that she's sick to me than anything and I'd rather be safe. But yes I've been with her throughout it all. I kept going to her at night and didn't even sleep. I'd only come in to read more and get myself more informed. But overall I feel she is happy because I have given her lots of attention and done everything I could to make her comfortable.

[I_LOVE_MY_MIKKO]

Originally Posted by GSD Fan

I hope you will at least consider the advice in this thread. Some of it may have been harsh, but these GSD people love their dogs and the breed. They want the best for their breed and seeing a breeder who does not breed to the best standards angers them. You have to understand that if you going to breed and possibly add more to the animals dieing in shelters and roaming the streets, you MUST make the gain outweigh the risk. You MUST produce dogs that add to the breed and make the breed and dogs better companions or what they are bred for OVERALL.

The breed and other breeds need more good and ethical breeders and you can become that. However, it takes work and dedication. There are no short cuts.

What I suggest you do is after this litter, spay and neuter your female and male. As for the puppies, ask a rescue or shelter to help evaluate them and place them in good homes.

Then, since you had two GSDs, take a look at what goes into ethical and responsible breeding. See if you want to do that. People preach about the bad parts of breeding, but there are good parts that make it worth it to some people.

As for the people who bashed her or him, please don't be offended by this, but I know what this person is going through being bashed by dog people. What made me change my views on dogs and german shepherds were the people who nice to me. When you bash a person, you end up losing them.

I hope your female makes it through this, but I also hope you'll reconsider breeding- either to do it the right way (there's a ton of threads on here about responsible breeding) or to not do it at all.

[msvette2u]

Stop treating animals like people. Until you know how I treat my dogs, don't accuse me of being a "irresponsible owner". I don't need to get my pets spayed. It's unnatural and if you're going to treat an animal like a human, why not go get yourself spayed as well? If my dogs are going to do something completely natural, big deal.

Most of us do take steps to avoid pregnancy, yes. It's the responsible thing to do unless you're planning to have a baby and are mentally and physically mature enough to have one and are financially stable enough to raise a child.
You don't see 12yr. olds out having babies because they are not old enough to do so and are not mentally and physically mature enough to, which is akin to your 1yr. old puppy girl having puppies of her own.
Your logic is flawed.

[GSDBESTK9]

Originally Posted by jcojocaru

Bailey is very near the end of her pregnancy. She is at the stage where she will not get up and I cannot even make her get up. She only gets up to go to the bathroom and eat/drink. Just a bit ago she was shivering (for those who don't know, one of the signs that the puppies are nearly on their way, a result of contractions).

This is NOT normal of a pregnancy. We've had females carrying 11 puppies, HUGE as you can imagine, and they could still get up and walk around normal. PLEASE do take your dog to the vet ASAP!

[jcojocaru]

Originally Posted by GSD Fan

I hope you will at least consider the advice in this thread. Some of it may have been harsh, but these GSD people love their dogs and the breed. They want the best for their breed and seeing a breeder who does not breed to the best standards angers them. You have to understand that if you going to breed and possibly add more to the animals dieing in shelters and roaming the streets, you MUST make the gain outweigh the risk. You MUST produce dogs that add to the breed and make the breed and dogs better companions or what they are bred for OVERALL.

The breed and other breeds need more good and ethical breeders and you can become that. However, it takes work and dedication. There are no short cuts.

What I suggest you do is after this litter, spay and neuter your female and male. As for the puppies, ask a rescue or shelter to help evaluate them and place them in good homes.

Then, since you had two GSDs, take a look at what goes into ethical and responsible breeding. See if you want to do that. People preach about the bad parts of breeding, but there are good parts that make it worth it to some people.

As for the people who bashed her or him, please don't be offended by this, but I know what this person is going through being bashed by dog people. What made me change my views on dogs and german shepherds were the people who nice to me. When you bash a person, you end up losing them.

I have definitely considered everything I've been told. For those who think I'm just ignorant and I post to sound smart or whatever... No. I'm here for help and information. About breeding information on mine, I have talked to a professional breeder and he told me mine are working class, that I would have great results from them. He studied and checked their hips and health and said they're great. This wasn't a paid service, so no I didn't get papers or anything. I just went to him because I trust him and I've seen the work he does. He did not tell me to breed them however.

I am working on all the paperwork and getting prepared as quickly as possible.

I would never leave puppies in a shelter or on the street. In regards to "selling them", I just wanted to know what I needed exactly, so that whoever wants them will have everything they need to know about them. If it comes to it, I will provide the medical help and then just give them away to people I believe will treat them right for the price of the medical bills alone.