Someone else's post got me thinking about accidental litters

[Mrs.K]

Originally Posted by selzer

The unforgiving attitude? Sorry, but it is just amazing how many oops litters happen out of two AKC registered dogs of the same breed. I don't buy it. People like the idea of rescuing dogs, people don't like the idea of buying from an established breeder. People are ok if you make a mistake and your dogs breed, people think you are the scum of the earth if you breed your dogs on purpose. People are claiming oops litters because they then do not need to go the whole nine yards. They can just say Whoops! and every one will accept them with open arms because they are human.

In our current climate, it is more acceptable to accidently (on purpose) let your dogs breed, than to go through all the steps and breed a litter, with forethought, with health checks, etc.

People will qualify that they bought their puppy from someone who had an oops litter, simply because we all know how bad it is to go to a BYB, or to go to any breeder for that matter. But it is perfectly acceptable to buy a pup out of an accidental litter. How many mistakes is a person allowed. If they have an accidental litter every six months are the still oops?

What differs them from you? You've got the CGC and the RN on most of your dogs. Does that make them breedworthy? How do you determine that your dogs are breedworthy and have what it takes to be bred? What makes them breedworthy? Have you ever seen them under real pressure?

What makes anyone, that isn't familiar with your experience think the same way of you as of any other BYB?

You have one dog that is titled and you imported that one.

So what exactly do your dogs to better the breed?

These are questions that somebody could ask about your breeding program...

[Whiteshepherds]

Originally Posted by selzer

People will qualify that they bought their puppy from someone who had an oops litter, simply because we all know how bad it is to go to a BYB, or to go to any breeder for that matter. But it is perfectly acceptable to buy a pup out of an accidental litter.

I think you give the general public way too much credit for giving any of this as much thought as you think they do.

[Emoore]

Originally Posted by cliffson1

.....but the unforgiving attitude is very sanctimonious.

I realize that we live in a morally relativistic society, that what's true for me might not be true for you, and we're not supposed to use words like "right" and "wrong" and "good" and "bad." I guess I'm a backward redneck, but I just think lying to sell dogs (or anything else) is plain wrong. I'm just a simple country girl, but I think that not telling the truth so that people will feel better about buying your product is a bad thing. I'm sorry if that offends you.


I could see one or two happening on occasion.

With 47 "I'm not a breeder but. . ." ads on my local craigslist for registered pups, some of which have two or three litters available at the same phone number at the same time. . . . somebody's lying. It makes me angry.

[Betty]

Deleted because one of the posts I referred to was deleted.

[Betty]

Originally Posted by Emoore

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I could see one or two happening on occasion.

With 47 "I'm not a breeder but. . ." ads on my local craigslist for registered pups, some of which have two or three litters available at the same phone number at the same time. . . . somebody's lying. It makes me angry.

I agree with you. I've never noticed the ads reading oops type breeding, I'm going to have to look now.

Reminds me of someone that married into my family. Multiple pregnancies and all were accidents. It was all I could do not to roll my eyes.

[Jack's Dad]

Originally Posted by Whiteshepherds

I think you give the general public way too much credit for giving any of this as much thought as you think they do.

Right on Whiteshepherds. The general public doesn't care about most of what is discussed on dog forums. IMO

[Emoore]

OK it's not 47 anymore, that was before Christmas.

You'll also see people posting, "Wanting to adopt a registered (whatever breed) puppy, 6-8 weeks old. I do not want to go to a breeder." Maybe it's just me but I see that a lot.

[Mrs.K]

Not dirty, valid questions.

How do you differ the BYB from somebody without working titles? CGC and RN are not working titles. Even the Showline dogs in Germany have to be titled.

What makes these dogs so different from others without working titles?

How many breeders on here have been labeled as BYB even thought their dogs came from strong genetic backgrounds simply because they had no titles on their dogs? So how can you justify calling others as BYB's if you yourself breed with dogs that have NO working titles?

How can you be outrages over oops litters if you purposely breed dogs without working titles? A CGC is not a working title. A RN is not a working title.

What makes these dogs different from others?

If I would breed Nala and Yukon, even though I know that they have a strong genetic background with top notch lines, with just a CGC and RN... there would be an outrage on this Forum because they are not titled (yet health certified).

[selzer]

Originally Posted by Mrs.K

Not dirty, valid questions.

How do you differ the BYB from somebody without working titles? CGC and RN are not working titles. Even the Showline dogs in Germany have to be titled.

What makes these dogs so different from others without working titles?

How many breeders on here have been labeled as BYB even thought their dogs came from strong genetic backgrounds simply because they had no titles on their dogs? So how can you justify calling others as BYB's if you yourself breed with dogs that have NO working titles?

How can you be outrages over oops litters if you purposely breed dogs without working titles? A CGC is not a working title. A RN is not a working title.

What makes these dogs different from others?

If I would breed Nala and Yukon, even though I know that they have a strong genetic background with top notch lines, with just a CGC and RN... there would be an outrage on this Forum because they are not titled (yet health certified).

First you have to get a CGC and an RN. Then you can talk about that if you want. Most of the dogs I have bred have CDs or at least RAs, but so what? That is not what this thread is about. My dogs are health screened. I title all my dogs, not just the ones I breed. Someone who cannot even get a CGC or RN, but can put the titles down, that is a bit much I think.

[Betty]

Originally Posted by Emoore

OK it's not 47 anymore, that was before Christmas.

You'll also see people posting, "Wanting to adopt a registered (whatever breed) puppy, 6-8 weeks old. I do not want to go to a breeder." Maybe it's just me but I see that a lot.

I've seen that... Never really connected that with a future litter or two or three but I can see that.

I've done some informal rescue and I know whenever I have a registered dog for placement for a rehoming fee people come out of the woodwork offering to take them and of course they will be more then happy to neuter or spay, no reason for me to.

Riiiiiggggghtt...