Color Genetics question-

Jgk2383 · 09-10-2011, 10:20 AM

Can Solid blacks and Bi colours be born in the same litter?

Emoore · 09-10-2011, 10:23 AM

Yes

wolfstraum · 09-10-2011, 11:02 AM

of course! depending on the color of the parents!

Lee

Jgk2383 · 09-10-2011, 12:56 PM

Thank you very much. I had a debate with someone telling me absolutely not.

Catu · 09-10-2011, 01:27 PM

The genetic dominance order for color is: Sable - black/tan - bicolor - black.

This chart will help you to see which combinations can have black and bicolor in a litter.
http://www.ehretgsd.com/GSDcolorGenes.pdf

wolfstraum · 09-10-2011, 01:42 PM

take a dog who is bi-color - his parents are bi color and black...he is dominant for bi-colr and recessive for black

Breed to a sable dog who is from a black parent and a sable parent

Dog 1 genes - bi color and black
Dog 2 genes - sable and black

You can get

1. sable with black recessive
2. sable with bi color recessive
3. black
4. bi color with black recessive

You will not know what recessive the sables carry until they are bred - you will know the recessive on 4 because if it carried sable, it would be sable

Easy???

Lee

**lhczth** · 09-10-2011, 01:46 PM

How about breeding a Sable that carries BI to a blanket black/tan that carries black and you get all blanket b/t. Guess what recessive they MUST carry.

wolfstraum · 09-10-2011, 01:49 PM

LOL LOL LOL You would think BLack! But they got the dam's BT recessive - no telling if they got the dominant or the recessive from the male!!! so they could be Bl x BT or BT x BT

but BT is BT - pattern is another factor

think dogs are complicated??? Try appaloosas!

Lee

**Samba** · 09-10-2011, 01:53 PM

Is Bi a color or a pattern?

**Chris Wild** · 09-10-2011, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lhczth

How about breeding a Sable that carries BI to a blanket black/tan that carries black and you get all blanket b/t. Guess what recessive they MUST carry.

Bi of course.

If they inherited anything but Bi from the Sable/Bi parent they wouldn't be black and tans, they'd be sables.

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09-10-2011, 12:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jgk2383 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SouthEastern Arizona AKA The Sun Posts: 397	Thank you very much. I had a debate with someone telling me absolutely not. __________________ May you live as long as you want but never want as long as you live- Slainte'!

09-10-2011, 01:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
Catu Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Valdivia, Chile Posts: 4,269	The genetic dominance order for color is: Sable - black/tan - bicolor - black. This chart will help you to see which combinations can have black and bicolor in a litter. http://www.ehretgsd.com/GSDcolorGenes.pdf __________________ "The dog does not need to be deranked so much as the people need to learn to act like people worth listening to" Suzanne Clothier. Diabla, my Daemon; SchH A, RH-T A Akela, my Direwolf; Work in Progress Bagheera, Long term puppy host

09-10-2011, 01:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 7,088	take a dog who is bi-color - his parents are bi color and black...he is dominant for bi-colr and recessive for black Breed to a sable dog who is from a black parent and a sable parent Dog 1 genes - bi color and black Dog 2 genes - sable and black You can get 1. sable with black recessive 2. sable with bi color recessive 3. black 4. bi color with black recessive You will not know what recessive the sables carry until they are bred - you will know the recessive on 4 because if it carried sable, it would be sable Easy??? Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ Basha Sch3, Ghost Sch3 - Danger Sch1 SAR - ATB/Ret - Kyra, Sch3, Alice Sch1, Kelsey, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

09-10-2011, 01:46 PM	#7 (permalink)
lhczth Administrator & LOTR Addict Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 11,695	How about breeding a Sable that carries BI to a blanket black/tan that carries black and you get all blanket b/t. Guess what recessive they MUST carry. __________________ Lisa Clark Zu Treuen Händen Working German Shepherd Dogs *South Michigan SchH and Police Club*

09-10-2011, 01:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 7,088	LOL LOL LOL You would think BLack! But they got the dam's BT recessive - no telling if they got the dominant or the recessive from the male!!! so they could be Bl x BT or BT x BT but BT is BT - pattern is another factor think dogs are complicated??? Try appaloosas! Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ Basha Sch3, Ghost Sch3 - Danger Sch1 SAR - ATB/Ret - Kyra, Sch3, Alice Sch1, Kelsey, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

09-10-2011, 01:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,447	Is Bi a color or a pattern?

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