To Stud or Not to Stud

[suzzyq01]

That is the question.

I will admit I am interested in doing this. Of course it all hinges on his OFA when he turns 2. If it is less than good, I will neuter him. But in the meantime I plan of working the heck out of him (and will continue to do so if he is neutered).


For example:
The dog is within the breed standard and has Hips/Elbows OFA Good +, Cerf, is tittled in something (BH/TDI/OB/TD/etc), has been DNA tested and disease tested, is AKC registered, has a good temperament/nerves.

Is there something I have forgotten?

I cannot tell you that I want to do it right. It's something that I am passionate about and am not interested in making a buck but becoming further involved in the world of GSDs.

(please keep in mind that everyone who has become a well respected reputable breeder started somewhere. I am trying to do it the right way by asking for advice from those more experienced than me.)

Should I have prelim OFA's done or just wait??

[Ace952]

Pedigree is a big thing.
Also what titles will you put on the dog? better the title more money you can get of course.

If you was to market the dog to stud...what would be your reasons as to why I should use your dog as a stud? (basically a sales pitch)

[suzzyq01]

Originally Posted by Ace952

Pedigree is a big thing.
Also what titles will you put on the dog? better the title more money you can get of course.

If you was to market the dog to stud...what would be your reasons as to why I should use your dog as a stud? (basically a sales pitch)

We just got our CGC (not incredibly hard of course) so now we are cleaning things up and I am really wanting our TDI and BH(ScH) or OB(AKC) also looking a doing tracking soon as he seems to really enjoy that and several other dogs (his sister) are tracking. I seriously need to just quit my job so I can train him! I love it!!

[selzer]

Remember that a good stud dog, one with excellent pedigree, titles, championships, ofas -- in short a great resume, can breed to MANY bitches in a year's time.

So you have to figure out what it is that your dog has that will make the owner of a good bitch go for him instead of another dog.

At the same time you have to be choosy about who you are willing to breed to. If you breed to a bitch of questionable character/temperament, or with a serious fault or medical condition in her lines, then you can get known for that fault. So you really need to check out the bitches as well.

Also, your dog could get brucellosis -- a sexually transmitted disease that will cause him to be sterile, pups will be aborted, and the dam will become sterile. Yes they can pick this up off the toilet seat so to speak so, you need to test your dog for brucellosis, and not breed to ANY bitch who has not been tested for it. I would ask for a vaginal culture as well and specifically name what you are concerned about, like microplasma etc.

While you are busily building your dog's resume, get involved with a GSD club -- travel to the meetings, mine are about 2 hours away, but go further if necessary. You need to network with people, and ONLY breed to people you feel are serious about the breed. Everyone has a pretty bitch or a nice bitch, but that is not good enough.

Being the stud owner is a big deal. When the bitch needs to be bred, she needs to be bred, that means other plans go out the window. You will need to try and get two or three ties, every other day. Make sure you have a clear stud contract. Money is generally given up front, at the time of the breeding. If you are breeding for a puppy, then you need to have it clearly stated whether it is a pick or what have you. Usually a puppy is worth more than a stud fee, but it really depends. Make sure your stud contract discusses ALL possibilities -- what happens if there is no litter, what happens if their is only one pup.

Once you agree to stud your dog to a bitch, you should not turn back. They would then have to scramble to find an appropriate dog while their bitch is in heat. So be sure what you expect out of the bitch and her owners is clear prior to consenting to breed the bitch. If they arrive and cannot produce the health checks, do NOT breed to her. Send them packing. It is too dangerous to YOUR dog to breed a bitch who does not check out.

Good luck.

[gsdraven]

Like Ace said, pedigree. There is a lot more to producing good puppies than a nice male and a nice female. A good understanding of genetics and how putting the two togeher will complement each other should be a big consideration for the Bitch owner when using a stud.

Also, most of the titles you mentioned are very basic titles and don't prove workability IMO. But I'm also not a puppy buyer .

[JakodaCD OA]

I guess I would ask , who would you breed to?

I know the pedigree behind this dog, since I have/had some of the same. WHile he is absolutely gorgeous, one thing I see that will not be popular with some is he's a coat.

I know nothing personally about the temperament of your dog, but IF i were considering breeding him,,this is what I'd do first..RIght now, he's just over a year old, he's got his CGC, I'd now get him into obedience training, and at the bare minimum get a CD on him, I'd do the BH, having him TDI'd would benefit, I'd also have him Temperament Tested, do some tracking..what I'm saying is, NOW is the time to start working towards any titles you can go for and then go for them OFA hips and elbows at 2, I would thyroid test, DM test, Cerf..

EVEN then, finding a female may prove to be difficult.

And EVEN then, would I personally buy a puppy from a breeding to this male? And don't take this as an insult, because it's not, my answer would probably be "no".
Why? Because there are just to many other dogs out there that interest me more.

My female is a Reiko granddaughter, (so we're kinda related , Love her to death, I would get another in a heartbeat from her breeder.

For me personally, I have no desire to 'breed dogs',,I'd rather work on my own and if I wanted another, I'd go back to where I got this one from)

Just my 2 cents, and again he's absolutely gorgeous

[suzzyq01]

Originally Posted by gsdraven

Like Ace said, pedigree. There is a lot more to producing good puppies than a nice male and a nice female. A good understanding of genetics and how putting the two togeher will complement each other should be a big consideration for the Bitch owner when using a stud.

Also, most of the titles you mentioned are very basic titles and don't prove workability IMO. But I'm also not a puppy buyer .

What tittles should I shoot for??

The working thing is all new to me so I don't know what tittles are the heaviest hitters other than ScH1,2,and 3.

[suzzyq01]

Originally Posted by JakodaCD OA

I guess I would ask , who would you breed to?

I know the pedigree behind this dog, since I have/had some of the same. WHile he is absolutely gorgeous, one thing I see that will not be popular with some is he's a coat.

I know nothing personally about the temperament of your dog, but IF i were considering breeding him,,this is what I'd do first..RIght now, he's just over a year old, he's got his CGC, I'd now get him into obedience training, and at the bare minimum get a CD on him, I'd do the BH, having him TDI'd would benefit, I'd also have him Temperament Tested, do some tracking..what I'm saying is, NOW is the time to start working towards any titles you can go for and then go for them OFA hips and elbows at 2, I would thyroid test, DM test, Cerf..

EVEN then, finding a female may prove to be difficult.

And EVEN then, would I personally buy a puppy from a breeding to this male? And don't take this as an insult, because it's not, my answer would probably be "no".
Why? Because there are just to many other dogs out there that interest me more.

My female is a Reiko granddaughter, (so we're kinda related , Love her to death, I would get another in a heartbeat from her breeder.

For me personally, I have no desire to 'breed dogs',,I'd rather work on my own and if I wanted another, I'd go back to where I got this one from)

Just my 2 cents, and again he's absolutely gorgeous

No insult taken at all! Some of your have been breeding, training, involved, etc GSD's all your lives so I guess I'm kinda asking in a round about way if I went ahead and did all these things, would he be something that would interest a breeder to use him as a stud dog. Of course I will do many of these things whether I breed him or not. Just kinda probing to see thoughts of more experienced people.

We took basic classes and start the advanced training classes tomorrow actually. Whether I breed him or not I want to work him and compete with him. Can I neuter him and still tittle him?? I'm under the impression that the dogs need to be intact for some tittles, am I right??

Ah yes his coat. I was looking for a plush coat but ended up with him without knowing he was going to be an "ultra plush coat" haha. He's almost in between a long coat and plush coat. As far as I know the Henna-c lines spit these dogs out often and people love them. I'm actually happy I ended up with his coat. I met his brother from another mother (lol ) and the same father yesterday and he is a plush and I really like Sonar's "look" much better. Both beautiful dogs. But of course I see where you are headed with this point.

Thanks for the honesty.

[angelas]

As a puppy buyer I am looking for not only a Ch. but obedience, rally and agility titles higher than the novice ones of CD, RN, and AgN. The CGC/CGN, TDI, HIC, and such are nice for pets and what not, but not enough for me to spend $1500-$2000 on a puppy.

[selzer]

I do not know about schutzhund, but you can title an altered dog in any AKC venue save conformation.