Certain Titles Necessary to Breed?

[Konotashi]

I was wondering.

Say Ozzy was AKC registered, I get him OFA'd, CERF, thyroid checked, etc. and everything clears, and I get him titled in agility, and he gets maybe a CGC and a BH, maybe some OB titles. Does that make him breed worthy? (This is entirely hypothetical, as I wouldn't ever breed him). He does NOT conform to the standard.
Is a conformation title of some sort necessary prior to breeding a dog?

I'm just curious, because I know a lot of people say that you only need a title of 'some sort.' Well, what if people start going off of that and only go for agility/SchH/flyball/OB/etc.? Eventually dog breeds start not looking like what they're supposed to, right? (Which was why the standard for the breeds was created in the first place, obviously).

I'm not saying that I think every dog should have a conformation title before being bred, I'm just wondering what your guys' opinion on this is.

[Greydusk]

I think it's different for toy breeds, being that most were never bred to do a job. To be honest I'm not sure how they determine "worthy of being bred" for toy breeds...CH titles?...

[sagelfn]

Not laughing at you just the thought of a Pom with a BH

[Konotashi]

Originally Posted by Greydusk

I think it's different for toy breeds, being that most were never bred to do a job. To be honest I'm not sure how they determine "worthy of being bred" for toy breeds...CH titles?...

Certain small breeds were bred to do certain things, such as Westies and Earth dog events, and corgis (a medium breed rather than small breed) and herding.

Edit -- just saw you specified with toy breeds, not small dogs in general. But you could still title a small dog in agility or other sports to show that they're more than just a pet and that you're going out and doing something with them to prove that they're worthy of breeding. But say you have an Italian Greyhound. Would agility be enough to prove that you can pass on that Italian Greyhound's genes? Or just that dog's genes?

Sorry if I'm not really making sense. But I guess what my point is, what if Ozzy, my out of standard Pom proves to be 'breed worthy.' He doesn't conform to the standard of a Pomeranian. Does the titles he (hypothetically) achieved make him breed worthy as a Pomeranian, or should dogs have to receive a conformation title before being bred?

[Greydusk]

Originally Posted by Konotashi

Certain small breeds were bred to do certain things, such as Westies and Earth dog events, and corgis (a medium breed rather than small breed) and herding.

But westies are part of the terrier group, and corgi's are herding...I could be wrong but toy breeds were bred to companion dogs (I think there are still dogs in that group who were originally bred to do some kind of task).

[sagelfn]

Sorry I missed your question. Here is a link to what many titles mean Dog Titles & Abbreviations

I think a dog should have some form of conformation title prior to breeding, some breeders I would be comfortable with them being able to honestly assess their dog and whether or not it conforms to standard.

For toy dogs I think only show titles are "required" I am not sure how they test temperament to their breeds standard.

[Greydusk]

I think he would have to have show titles to be able to be breed worthy, and confrom to the pom standard.

A deaf aussie could get an agility title, but shouldn't be bred.

[Konotashi]

Okay, instead of using a toy breed for my scenario, let's put a GSD for it.

Say I have a shepherd. I got it from a BYB that had full AKC registered parents, that was it. I want to breed my dog, but I want to be smarter about it, so I go out and get all of the necessary health tests done on him and they all clear. I get him titled in the same venues as stated above (agility, OB, BH title). Does that make him breed worthy? Say he's a 120 lb. male who's cow-hocked and looks like a typical BYB dog that just happened to pass the health clearances.

Would this GSD be deemed breed-worthy because he is AKC registered, has titles and health clearances, or no?

[sagelfn]

Originally Posted by Konotashi

But I guess what my point is, what if Ozzy, my out of standard Pom proves to be 'breed worthy.' He doesn't conform to the standard of a Pomeranian. Does the titles he (hypothetically) achieved make him breed worthy as a Pomeranian, or should dogs have to receive a conformation title before being bred?

Some working line dogs do not perfectly fit the standard but have excellent temperament and breeders with VAST knowledge of the breed could responsibly breed that dog without getting way out there conformation. That dog will have other titles up the wazoo though to prove it has something to bring to the breed.

I really do not know how that situation would apply to a toy breed.

[sagelfn]

Originally Posted by Konotashi

Okay, instead of using a toy breed for my scenario, let's put a GSD for it.

Say I have a shepherd. I got it from a BYB that had full AKC registered parents, that was it. I want to breed my dog, but I want to be smarter about it, so I go out and get all of the necessary health tests done on him and they all clear. I get him titled in the same venues as stated above (agility, OB, BH title). Does that make him breed worthy? Say he's a 120 lb. male who's cow-hocked and looks like a typical BYB dog that just happened to pass the health clearances.

Would this GSD be deemed breed-worthy because he is AKC registered, has titles and health clearances, or no?

No. Assuming the dog could earn those titles it is too far from the standard. For the dogs conformation to be that off the pedigree would also suck. It would bring nothing to the breed.