The "German Malinois"

Rerun · 11-29-2010, 10:29 AM

I put it in quotes, because of course it's not a real breed. I was doing some searching last night and found that many BYB's will cross the Malinois and the GSD and call the resulting offspring German Malinois.

The name aside, it sounds like a good cross if the right aspects were kept in mind. It sounds like this is done overseas to produce sport and working dogs. Essentially a stockier more powerful Malinois; when the results turn out as desired. Of course puppies are a crapshoot and you could end up with the worst traits of both.

Are there any legit breeders in the states crossing the two, or are they primarily just BYB's? Obviously there are going to be many on both sides opposed to it because essentially you're creating a mutt, but if the lines of both sire and dam are known and the two are carefully matched, it seems to me it's not much more of a crapshoot than crossing two of the same breed. IMHO all breeds were created from the mixing and selective breeding of various breeds, so if the right goals and reasons are behind it, I'm not opposed to selectively crossing two breeds to create a different breed (not necessarily a SUPERIOR breed, just different). One could argue the point of why cross them? Just get a GSD or a Mal. But then again, out of the hundreds of dog breeds the same could be argued in many cases there as well. Why get X breed or create Y breed when you could just get Z breed.

BowWowMeow · 11-29-2010, 11:03 AM

I guess Rafi is one of these...although Rafi met a mal trainer a couple of weeks ago and the trainer said he's all mal. Every mal owner who has met him has said the same thing.

From what I've read mal breeders who are breeding for the best all around working/sports dog liberally mix in gsd and don't consider this a mix (because it's been consistently done) so it seems like a semantical question and also very difficult to understand the definition of a "purebred" mal!

**Samba** · 11-29-2010, 11:55 AM

I think this dog is a malshep....

Dailymotion - Bart bellon - un vídeo de Sports & Extreme

Emoore · 11-29-2010, 11:58 AM

Better than a Mal-a-doodle.

Jax's Mom · 11-29-2010, 12:45 PM

How come when one is not in keeping with what the AKC/CKC has decided is right, we label them BYBs?

If someone knows what they're doing, who's to say they're not a reputable breeder? (Doubt there is an exorbitant amount of these out there, but just sayin')
We've been breeding dogs for 400,000 years (depending on who you ask), so how come we're suddenly done now, all breeds are closed, thanks for coming out!

Uses for dogs are evolving every day, why should we stop looking at new breeds? I'd love to see a non-shedding GSD in my lifetime! ...Not a shepradoodle, curly shepherd or shepoopy but an actual GSD that just doesn't shed! LOL ...and if it's not too much to ask, one with perfect hips/elbows/eyes and lives upwards of 20 years. Have at 'er BYBs!

BlackPuppy · 11-29-2010, 12:54 PM

A LOT of the KNPV dogs in The Netherlands are Mal/GSD crosses. Seems for a while that a lot were being imported for LEO work, but I think that's not so true anymore.

And then those dogs do get bred in the states, but usually by BYBs, like you said. The Dutch Shepherd Rescue had 7 puppies that were the product of a Malinois/GSD LEO dog, bred to a Malinois bitch that wasn't anything special. I went to look, thinking of adopting one of them. They were 4 months old and already huge! I'd probably have one of them if the first puppy hadn't run up to bite Balto.

Oh, yeah, he was just doing it thinking he was going to make a lot of money selling to police departments and didn't sell a single pup. Thankfully, the NADSR agreed to take them and they all found great pet homes.

Are you seriously looking for one?

Rerun · 11-29-2010, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jax's Mom

How come when one is not in keeping with what the AKC/CKC has decided is right, we label them BYBs?

I have personally never done that....have actually said in prior posts that I think the term BYB is thrown around quite a bit here. However, the mal/gsd crosses I have seen were true BYB's breeding pets to pets for the sole purpose of making some money or letting fifi have a litter. They weren't working dogs with any titles or health clearances. Thus, the term BYB was used.

Rerun · 11-29-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackPuppy

Are you seriously looking for one?

uh...no. Where did you get that impression?

BlackPuppy · 11-29-2010, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rerun

uh...no. Where did you get that impression?

Hey, just wondering. A lot of people would like a dog like that. The people at the working dog forum probably have some Malinois puppies that are big and muscular.

What I don't get is the Malinois crossed with Pit Bulls, aka, Donovan Pinschers. Donovan's Pinscher puppies for sale - PuppyPureBred.com

Rerun · 11-29-2010, 01:19 PM

I think it would be a great cross personally, but I suspect it would be difficult to get one that would be suitable for us given that there don't seem to be too many quality breeders here crossing the two, and the ones that did would likely be crossing them to produce high drive sport or LE dogs, whereas we prefer a low to medium drive dog. I suppose we could always get on a waitlist for a lower drive pup should one be born, but our next dog is likely going to be a sable male working line GSD so another other than that would be a long ways off.

11-29-2010, 10:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
Rerun Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,608	The "German Malinois" I put it in quotes, because of course it's not a real breed. I was doing some searching last night and found that many BYB's will cross the Malinois and the GSD and call the resulting offspring German Malinois. The name aside, it sounds like a good cross if the right aspects were kept in mind. It sounds like this is done overseas to produce sport and working dogs. Essentially a stockier more powerful Malinois; when the results turn out as desired. Of course puppies are a crapshoot and you could end up with the worst traits of both. Are there any legit breeders in the states crossing the two, or are they primarily just BYB's? Obviously there are going to be many on both sides opposed to it because essentially you're creating a mutt, but if the lines of both sire and dam are known and the two are carefully matched, it seems to me it's not much more of a crapshoot than crossing two of the same breed. IMHO all breeds were created from the mixing and selective breeding of various breeds, so if the right goals and reasons are behind it, I'm not opposed to selectively crossing two breeds to create a different breed (not necessarily a SUPERIOR breed, just different). One could argue the point of why cross them? Just get a GSD or a Mal. But then again, out of the hundreds of dog breeds the same could be argued in many cases there as well. Why get X breed or create Y breed when you could just get Z breed.

11-29-2010, 11:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
BowWowMeow Crowned Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 14,794	I guess Rafi is one of these...although Rafi met a mal trainer a couple of weeks ago and the trainer said he's all mal. Every mal owner who has met him has said the same thing. From what I've read mal breeders who are breeding for the best all around working/sports dog liberally mix in gsd and don't consider this a mix (because it's been consistently done) so it seems like a semantical question and also very difficult to understand the definition of a "purebred" mal! __________________ Ruth & the 4 Legged Rescue Gang Rafi the malaroo http://www.dogster.com/dogs/693238 Gio & Varda, the krazy kittens ....In my heart: Cleo Kitty Chama Kai Basu Massie

11-29-2010, 11:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
Emoore Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North DFW, TX Posts: 9,214	Better than a Mal-a-doodle. __________________ Rocky vom Backyard- 10 years young Kopper vom Felssclucht Bach - 17 months At the Bridge: Cash van der Animal Shelter 2006-2010

11-29-2010, 12:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
BlackPuppy Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4,420	A LOT of the KNPV dogs in The Netherlands are Mal/GSD crosses. Seems for a while that a lot were being imported for LEO work, but I think that's not so true anymore. And then those dogs do get bred in the states, but usually by BYBs, like you said. The Dutch Shepherd Rescue had 7 puppies that were the product of a Malinois/GSD LEO dog, bred to a Malinois bitch that wasn't anything special. I went to look, thinking of adopting one of them. They were 4 months old and already huge! I'd probably have one of them if the first puppy hadn't run up to bite Balto. Oh, yeah, he was just doing it thinking he was going to make a lot of money selling to police departments and didn't sell a single pup. Thankfully, the NADSR agreed to take them and they all found great pet homes. Are you seriously looking for one? Last edited by BlackPuppy; 11-29-2010 at 12:57 PM.

11-29-2010, 11:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,447	I think this dog is a malshep.... Dailymotion - Bart bellon - un vídeo de Sports & Extreme

11-29-2010, 12:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jax's Mom Knighted Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,227	How come when one is not in keeping with what the AKC/CKC has decided is right, we label them BYBs? If someone knows what they're doing, who's to say they're not a reputable breeder? (Doubt there is an exorbitant amount of these out there, but just sayin') We've been breeding dogs for 400,000 years (depending on who you ask), so how come we're suddenly done now, all breeds are closed, thanks for coming out! Uses for dogs are evolving every day, why should we stop looking at new breeds? I'd love to see a non-shedding GSD in my lifetime! ...Not a shepradoodle, curly shepherd or shepoopy but an actual GSD that just doesn't shed! LOL ...and if it's not too much to ask, one with perfect hips/elbows/eyes and lives upwards of 20 years. Have at 'er BYBs!

11-29-2010, 01:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
Rerun Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,608	I think it would be a great cross personally, but I suspect it would be difficult to get one that would be suitable for us given that there don't seem to be too many quality breeders here crossing the two, and the ones that did would likely be crossing them to produce high drive sport or LE dogs, whereas we prefer a low to medium drive dog. I suppose we could always get on a waitlist for a lower drive pup should one be born, but our next dog is likely going to be a sable male working line GSD so another other than that would be a long ways off.

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