Is it really a bad thing to profit in breeding?

GSD Fan · 10-25-2010, 10:03 AM

What I mean by "profit" is "GAIN money".

So my question is, is it really a bad thing if a breeder makes a profit off of breeding?

A reputable breeder will be lucky to break even, but what if someone who knows the ropes actually knows how to profit from it?

So let's say you get the breeding female for . . . $2500. You breed her to a stud and that's $3000 (The numbers are probably way off, but bare with me, this is just an example)

$5500

Let's say the female tests positive for pregnancy. Oh, don't forget getting Hips and other things certified.

Okay, I'm guessing . . . $500 to certify everything?

$6000

Vet check ups and stuff = $250 to $500

$6500

She has the puppies. Let's say she has six puppies.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but all that example breeder has to do is sell each puppy for $1500 - $2000.

Everything that is needed is certified and the mother and father both have the desired titles.

Now, I didn't include every single cost so a breeder on here will probably come in and correct me.

But what I don't get is, what's wrong with a breeder making a profit, especially if the puppies are worth that price?

What inspired me to make this thread was I surfing and I found a book that stated that it's not reallly a bad thing if a breeder makes a profit off of breeding.

What do you guys think?

Emoore · 10-25-2010, 10:08 AM

Did you see this thread?
Question for breeders ( Sister in laws school project)

It's not that it's inherently immoral to make a profit from breeding dogs, it's just that it's really hard to make a profit and still do all the things the breeders in that thread mentioned. You've been on this board enough to know that the costs of breeding far exceed obtaining a bitch, getting her pregnant, and paying some vet costs.

GSD Fan · 10-25-2010, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emoore

Did you see this thread?
Question for breeders ( Sister in laws school project)

It's not that it's inherently immoral to make a profit from breeding dogs, it's just that it's really hard to make a profit and still do all the things the breeders in that thread mentioned. You've been on this board enough to know that the costs of breeding far exceed obtaining a bitch, getting her pregnant, and paying some vet costs.

Okay. I'm sorry. Nevermind.

Emoore · 10-25-2010, 10:18 AM

Don't be sorry.

Your book may not have been wrong either. Someone could be breeding, say. . . Pugs or Shih-tzus. So far as I know those dogs don't have the expenses associated with training and titling that GSDs do. So maybe you can be a reputable breeder of Chihuahuas and make a profit.

GSD Fan · 10-25-2010, 10:20 AM

To be honest, I was bored and I remembered something someone said in the past, and I just wanted to post a topic about it and see what you guys thought. I had completely forgot about that thread.

Whiteshepherds · 10-25-2010, 10:39 AM

Whether or not a breeder makes a profit shouldn't really be an issue, it's what kind of dogs they're producing that counts. If they can produce great dogs and make a profit more power to them.

GSD Fan, do you think they should make a profit?

codmaster · 10-25-2010, 10:46 AM

Not sure you should include the costs of titling in breeding as many owners would do that anyway whether they were planning to breed or not, don't you think?

Xeph · 10-25-2010, 11:38 AM

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Not sure you should include the costs of titling in breeding as many owners would do that anyway whether they were planning to breed or not, don't you think?

I've never thought people should include the costs of titling the dog, as you'll never be able to make all that back.

Jon and I have already dropped quite a bit of money showing Mirada in just 5 show weekends already. We'll never make that back in puppy sales, so why include it?

Emoore · 10-25-2010, 12:14 PM

See, you can't get two people to agree on what constitutes making a profit, let alone if it's ethical or not!

Wolfenstein · 10-25-2010, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Xeph

I've never thought people should include the costs of titling the dog, as you'll never be able to make all that back.

Jon and I have already dropped quite a bit of money showing Mirada in just 5 show weekends already. We'll never make that back in puppy sales, so why include it?

That's the point!

In many people's opinions, the titles on the dogs being bred are part of what's important. It's that the breeder took the time/effort/money involved to find the best breeding dogs possible. It counts because it's part of the selection process. It's part of the reason people say you don't make a profit with ethical breeding, because of everything that goes in to titling dogs.

That's always the way I've understood it, anyway.

10-25-2010, 10:03 AM	#1 (permalink)
GSD Fan Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: MS Posts: 1,128	Is it really a bad thing to profit in breeding? What I mean by "profit" is "GAIN money". So my question is, is it really a bad thing if a breeder makes a profit off of breeding? A reputable breeder will be lucky to break even, but what if someone who knows the ropes actually knows how to profit from it? So let's say you get the breeding female for . . . $2500. You breed her to a stud and that's $3000 (The numbers are probably way off, but bare with me, this is just an example) $5500 Let's say the female tests positive for pregnancy. Oh, don't forget getting Hips and other things certified. Okay, I'm guessing . . . $500 to certify everything? $6000 Vet check ups and stuff = $250 to $500 $6500 She has the puppies. Let's say she has six puppies. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but all that example breeder has to do is sell each puppy for $1500 - $2000. Everything that is needed is certified and the mother and father both have the desired titles. Now, I didn't include every single cost so a breeder on here will probably come in and correct me. But what I don't get is, what's wrong with a breeder making a profit, especially if the puppies are worth that price? What inspired me to make this thread was I surfing and I found a book that stated that it's not reallly a bad thing if a breeder makes a profit off of breeding. What do you guys think?

10-25-2010, 10:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
Emoore Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North DFW, TX Posts: 9,214	Did you see this thread? Question for breeders ( Sister in laws school project) It's not that it's inherently immoral to make a profit from breeding dogs, it's just that it's really hard to make a profit and still do all the things the breeders in that thread mentioned. You've been on this board enough to know that the costs of breeding far exceed obtaining a bitch, getting her pregnant, and paying some vet costs. __________________ Rocky vom Backyard- 10 years young Kopper vom Felssclucht Bach - 17 months At the Bridge: Cash van der Animal Shelter 2006-2010

10-25-2010, 10:18 AM	#4 (permalink)
Emoore Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North DFW, TX Posts: 9,214	Don't be sorry. Your book may not have been wrong either. Someone could be breeding, say. . . Pugs or Shih-tzus. So far as I know those dogs don't have the expenses associated with training and titling that GSDs do. So maybe you can be a reputable breeder of Chihuahuas and make a profit. __________________ Rocky vom Backyard- 10 years young Kopper vom Felssclucht Bach - 17 months At the Bridge: Cash van der Animal Shelter 2006-2010

10-25-2010, 12:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
Emoore Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North DFW, TX Posts: 9,214	See, you can't get two people to agree on what constitutes making a profit, let alone if it's ethical or not! __________________ Rocky vom Backyard- 10 years young Kopper vom Felssclucht Bach - 17 months At the Bridge: Cash van der Animal Shelter 2006-2010

10-25-2010, 10:20 AM	#5 (permalink)
GSD Fan Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: MS Posts: 1,128	To be honest, I was bored and I remembered something someone said in the past, and I just wanted to post a topic about it and see what you guys thought. I had completely forgot about that thread.

10-25-2010, 10:39 AM	#6 (permalink)
Whiteshepherds Knighted Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Northeastern Connecticut Posts: 2,771	Whether or not a breeder makes a profit shouldn't really be an issue, it's what kind of dogs they're producing that counts. If they can produce great dogs and make a profit more power to them. GSD Fan, do you think they should make a profit?

10-25-2010, 10:46 AM	#7 (permalink)
codmaster Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: California, US Posts: 4,762	Not sure you should include the costs of titling in breeding as many owners would do that anyway whether they were planning to breed or not, don't you think?

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