Old fashioned? REALLY??? - Page 44

**Samba** · 03-22-2010, 02:16 PM

Well, yes, as Cliff pointed out, there are dogs to own and there are dogs to breed. The rub is in the methods utilized to determine the later.

I am digesting what Anne and Cliff have written and am trying to find examples, retrieve from memory of seeing work and think of how the correct work and testing plays out.

I have experienced the work where the helper is mostly a delivery system. A moving body to create prey delivery and also reward with sleeve delivery system. The importance of the helper themselves ever so diminished. Also, thinking about the malinois wearing their heart on their sleeve so to speak and how easy to activate. Also, seeing easily activated German Shepherds but what is activated in them is not necessarily a balance of drives and often little serious fight coming from confident power. I am also thinking of some helpers not knowing exactly what to do with a more serious thinking dog and one that doesn't have its trigger on the surface.

What is really the old fashioned GSD that is in danger of being MIA is not straight backs and large size.....

Doc · 03-22-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Samba

Here are some old fashioned German Shepherds ( and a few other breeds) doing some old fashioned training. Some are largish some are smaller.

YouTube - Schutzhund in Germany 1936

I think I was at that taping .....

**Samba** · 03-22-2010, 02:42 PM

I tried to pick you out in the crowd! I see one old fashioned tradition remains...beer after training.

Vandal · 03-22-2010, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc

I think I was at that taping .....

LOL.....

When I was watching that I remembered that when I first started in SchH.....which was actually a few decades later...four to be exact.....we used to do that group obedience stuff.

Doc · 03-22-2010, 02:52 PM

I think "old fashion" is much more than size and weight - although others in here has/will accuse me otherwise. I miss the "old fashion" German shepherd that exhibited a different mentality than we see today. If you haven't seen it, experienced it, or touched it, it is almost impossible to put into words.

Beer? After training? With German shepherds? Surely not ... LOL

Jason L · 03-22-2010, 03:32 PM

Wow back then the helpers really got into it with the handlers! Those did not look like "pretend" shoves.

**Samba** · 03-22-2010, 04:00 PM

LOL True attack on the handler! I saw the one fellow really struggling to get back up.

Doc · 03-23-2010, 12:42 PM

I stagger like that all the time. My swagger turn into stagger. It's hail getting old. LOL

**Samba** · 03-24-2010, 10:24 AM

I say getting old is not for sissies!

Doc · 03-24-2010, 10:35 PM

I'm old but I'm not ready yet.

03-22-2010, 02:16 PM	#431 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,338	Well, yes, as Cliff pointed out, there are dogs to own and there are dogs to breed. The rub is in the methods utilized to determine the later. I am digesting what Anne and Cliff have written and am trying to find examples, retrieve from memory of seeing work and think of how the correct work and testing plays out. I have experienced the work where the helper is mostly a delivery system. A moving body to create prey delivery and also reward with sleeve delivery system. The importance of the helper themselves ever so diminished. Also, thinking about the malinois wearing their heart on their sleeve so to speak and how easy to activate. Also, seeing easily activated German Shepherds but what is activated in them is not necessarily a balance of drives and often little serious fight coming from confident power. I am also thinking of some helpers not knowing exactly what to do with a more serious thinking dog and one that doesn't have its trigger on the surface. What is really the old fashioned GSD that is in danger of being MIA is not straight backs and large size.....

03-22-2010, 02:42 PM	#433 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,338	I tried to pick you out in the crowd! I see one old fashioned tradition remains...beer after training.

03-22-2010, 02:52 PM	#435 (permalink)
Doc Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,570	I think "old fashion" is much more than size and weight - although others in here has/will accuse me otherwise. I miss the "old fashion" German shepherd that exhibited a different mentality than we see today. If you haven't seen it, experienced it, or touched it, it is almost impossible to put into words. Beer? After training? With German shepherds? Surely not ... LOL

03-22-2010, 03:32 PM	#436 (permalink)
Jason L Knighted Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 2,930	Wow back then the helpers really got into it with the handlers! Those did not look like "pretend" shoves.

03-22-2010, 04:00 PM	#437 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,338	LOL True attack on the handler! I saw the one fellow really struggling to get back up.

03-23-2010, 12:42 PM	#438 (permalink)
Doc Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,570	I stagger like that all the time. My swagger turn into stagger. It's hail getting old. LOL

03-24-2010, 10:24 AM	#439 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,338	I say getting old is not for sissies!

03-24-2010, 10:35 PM	#440 (permalink)
Doc Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,570	I'm old but I'm not ready yet.

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