Old fashioned? REALLY???

[Doc]

Originally Posted by onyx'girl

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The pictures I posted in this thread are some of my bloodlines. I think you should remove any links in your post to a breeders a web-site - particularly when you have no idea whose it is. You are just fishing onyx'girl and until you know for a fact, your speculation should remain just that - a speculation.

I told you several times I will never post my link in this thread. I have posted some dogs out of my bloodlines in this thread.

crs996, sometimes it is better to remain silent and make people guess than to open your mouth and remove any doubt. Giant Welsh Corgi's?

[LaRen616]

You know what, big or small, fat or thin, slanted or not, they are all GSD's. If a big non slanted GSD needed a home your telling me you wouldn't take him because he is not the standard? If so then you shouldn't be on this site. This site is for ALL GSD LOVERS. A GSD is still a GSD even if they are a different color. Animals evolve just like we do.

[Castlemaid]

Doc, you have left enough hints throughout your various posts that it is easy to be able to tell that is your kennel. Since you have a strong conviction about your breeding philosophy, and defend it staunchly, why try to hide your website? I think that is sending mixed messages which only dilutes the strenght of your arguments.

[Doc]

People have made up their minds concerning German shepherds that are not to standard. Their logic is flawed when they state German shepherds that are over the standard are fat, lazy, and can not work. They are not speaking from experience. I know many "over-sized" German shepherds and breeders that produce large German shepherds. I do not know anything about "giant" German shepherds nor how they are defined. But to imply that a German shepherd dog that falls outside of the Standard is non-functional is an inaccurate statement.

I would like to "call the question" before this gets topic digresses too far.

[Castlemaid]

Originally Posted by LaRen616

You know what, big or small, fat or thin, slanted or not, they are all GSD's. If a big non slanted GSD needed a home your telling me you wouldn't take him because he is not the standard? If so then you shouldn't be on this site. This site is for ALL GSD LOVERS. A GSD is still a GSD even if they are a different color. Animals evolve just like we do.

You are right about that LaRen, and NOBODY would EVER say that a GSD does not deserve a good home based on lines or looks. All dogs are worthy of love and care. The discussion is more about BREEDER's and what they are producing, and what people feel that a breeder should strive for in a breeding program.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by Castlemaid

Doc, you have left enough hints throughout your various posts that it is easy to be able to tell that is your kennel. Since you have a strong conviction about your breeding philosophy, and defend it staunchly, why try to hide your website? I think that is sending mixed messages which only dilutes the strenght of your arguments.

I decided to remove my web-site from this thread because I am not here to sell dogs or promote anything. I came here to learn.

Lucia, do you know for a fact that is my web-site? You can speculate until the cows come home. My dogs are extremely healthy, have proper temperament, and are over the Standard in regard to height and weight. If you or anyone else in this forum want to discard them as useless, bastards, fat, unable to work, giant welsh corgis, etc. that's fine.

Seeing the current state of the German shepherd dog in general and in specific the many health issues now so common, wouldn't our time be better spent addressing these with the intensity and conviction exhibited towards weather a dog is or isn't within the Standard? Aren't there other more important things to discuss?

[KayElle]

I'm supporting Doc. I own two American show line shepherds who are both oversized. My male, a long stock coat, is 29 1/2" and 98 lbs. lean. My bitch is 26 1/2" and 78 lbs. lean. BOTH can outrun, out-corner, and out jump the "working" shepherds in my neighborhood that participate in Schutzhund. Moreover, when my male was only a year old, the county sheriff K9 unit called on me and asked if I would be willing to sell my male to the sheriff's department to be used in their K9 unit. He's not overly aggressive -- his temperament is what a shepherd should be. Soooo, stop the bashing! I plan on getting oversized shepherds after my two pass on, maybe from the breeder whose website started this, maybe from Doc (love to talk to you), or from some other breeders that breed oversized, straight-backed shepherds that are used in therapy and SAR.

[KayElle]

Also, I'm pretty certain that Doc's website is not the website that began this thread. As I said, I am quite familiar with that site, the breeder, her reputation, etc. To imply that the site is Doc's is disingenuous at best and clearly unfair. How can Doc disprove it? You should not put anyone, much less a gsd lover, in that position.

[LaRen616]

KayElle well said!

Maybe I'll look to Doc in the future as well

[Mrs.K]

Why can't we all just agree to disagree.

She can have oversized shepherds if she wants to, it's a free country. What bugged me was the Old Fashioned statement and why in the world there is a need to breed such oversized and heavy Shepherds in the first place. That, however, doesn't mean that these Shepherds are not healthy.

From what I have learned, in all these years, fast growing, heavy weight Shepherds are not really that healthy BUT it doesn't mean that it has to be like that. We don't know for sure.

Some of us love the healthy, standard sized (up to 65 cm), not overweight, slim, fit and athletic German Shepherds and other like that oversized and big Shepherd...

So why don't we all agree to disagree before it's turning more and more into a flamewar. That was not the intention of that topic!