HELP!!! Tang isn't Lactating!!!!

gsdmom1 · 07-29-2010, 09:22 PM

Not nearly enough. Gave her Oxytocin, cottage cheese and hamburger...pups are either gaining slightly or staying the same. I am worried! it has been over 24 hrs since whelp!

selzer · 07-29-2010, 09:37 PM

Did she have a c-section or natural.

If the pups are gaining at this point, they are getting enough. Usually, the pups will lose a little weight in the first 24 hours, and then start gaining.

How big are the puppies?

What is the temperature in the whelping box/room?

Did you allow her to eat the placentas?

What is her temperature?

Is she licking the puppies, to get them urinate and defecate, is she cleaning them?

Is this her first litter?

Are you keeping her area stress-free -- keeping everyone else out of the room where she is, and only touching the puppies to clean the box and weigh them maybe twice a day?

selzer · 07-29-2010, 09:40 PM

Why did you give her the oxytocin? Not right or wrong, just interested in what the reasoning was?

Is she eating ok. boiled chicken and rice with some cooked carrots is good, yogurt, vanilla ice cream -- that is a biggie giver her a little of that. I sometimes give mine potato soup.

How many puppies were there?

Is she eating and drinking?

**Chris Wild** · 07-29-2010, 09:44 PM

It is perfectly normal for pups to not gain weight, or even lose a bit, within the first 24 hours after birth and not start really gaining until after the first full day. So I wouldn't assume she isn't lactating based on lack of weight gain.

Have you checked her to see if you can express milk from her nipples?

gsdmom1 · 07-29-2010, 09:47 PM

ok, it is first litter and it was natural, full term. SHe ate 4 of the 5 placentas. She is eating her kibble with cottage cheese and hamberger mixed in. (6 cups of food per day in 2 cup incremints.) SHe is eating great, happy and playful. Great mom, cleaning them and attentive. nothing remarkable has happened. Other dogs haven't been in the room.
Spoke to my vet this afternoon and he gave me the oxytocin. Her temp is 103 but is panting. That is my usually indication that milk is being made, they get hot and pant.
I have been breeding Japanese chin for 10 years and this is my first big dog litter. Never had this problem!
She has milk but NOT FULL. I have to really squeeze to get anything out and the pups are working very hard!

selzer · 07-29-2010, 10:05 PM

Give her lots of water. What is the temperature. You may have to cool it down for her a little bit. 103 is not terrible, 104 would be too hot, and dangerous.

GSDs are not like small dogs that need very warm temperatures. They need plenty of water, and they need, it to be a little cooler. If she stops eating I would worry.

This first day the milk is just cholosterum, very important, but does not put much weight on the puppies. They generally lose weight the first day. After the first 24 hours, if they lose weight two days in a row, then supplementing is in order. Hard to say over the internet.

I have had 15 ounce puppies go down to 12/13 ounces on the first day, then they generally start climing. If they are suckling, they will be ok most likely.

How is the litter doing. Is it loud are they crying a lot -- that could be a problem. If they are sleeping and sucking that is probably just fine. If it is too warm, puppies will lay apart. If it is cooler puppy pile. Mom will stay with them if it is a little cooler and they will sleep right on and about her. If the puppies are piling and staying close to mom, and one is apart -- it could be in trouble.

I think you are probably ok, from what I am hearing. Only I am a little worried that she is too warm.

gsdmom1 · 07-29-2010, 10:15 PM

Selzer/....thanks for the advice. pups are piling together and happy. They fuss a little but mostly eat and sleep. Were very vocal last night but seem to be better today.
I will keep an eye out for any changes!

Thanks Chris for the chat! I feel better!

BoomandBolt · 07-29-2010, 10:20 PM

well if its like human breast feeding...you can make a nice warm rice bag (put rice in a sock and nuke it till warm, tie the end off) and slide it next to her so it warms them. breastfeeding is wicked painful to start for a human, so I imagine there is some discomfort for say a whole mess of pups.

gsdmom1 · 08-01-2010, 05:48 PM

Happy to report that Tangy is lactating. I wish she was fuller but the pups are gaining and dont seem to mind!

selzer · 08-03-2010, 12:34 AM

sounds good.

07-29-2010, 09:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
gsdmom1 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hazlet, NJ Posts: 40	HELP!!! Tang isn't Lactating!!!! Not nearly enough. Gave her Oxytocin, cottage cheese and hamburger...pups are either gaining slightly or staying the same. I am worried! it has been over 24 hrs since whelp! __________________ Marisa and the Dizzy dogs www.dizzydogs.com Draven and Tang and Baby Rev the GSDs Tony-O, Kazi, Houdini, Chrissy, Tinkerbell, and Treasure the Flyin' chins Waiting at the Bridge: Schnapps the GSD Bandi the BC

07-29-2010, 09:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 17,499	Did she have a c-section or natural. If the pups are gaining at this point, they are getting enough. Usually, the pups will lose a little weight in the first 24 hours, and then start gaining. How big are the puppies? What is the temperature in the whelping box/room? Did you allow her to eat the placentas? What is her temperature? Is she licking the puppies, to get them urinate and defecate, is she cleaning them? Is this her first litter? Are you keeping her area stress-free -- keeping everyone else out of the room where she is, and only touching the puppies to clean the box and weigh them maybe twice a day? __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

07-29-2010, 09:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 17,499	Why did you give her the oxytocin? Not right or wrong, just interested in what the reasoning was? Is she eating ok. boiled chicken and rice with some cooked carrots is good, yogurt, vanilla ice cream -- that is a biggie giver her a little of that. I sometimes give mine potato soup. How many puppies were there? Is she eating and drinking? __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

07-29-2010, 09:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	It is perfectly normal for pups to not gain weight, or even lose a bit, within the first 24 hours after birth and not start really gaining until after the first full day. So I wouldn't assume she isn't lactating based on lack of weight gain. Have you checked her to see if you can express milk from her nipples? __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

07-29-2010, 09:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
gsdmom1 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hazlet, NJ Posts: 40	ok, it is first litter and it was natural, full term. SHe ate 4 of the 5 placentas. She is eating her kibble with cottage cheese and hamberger mixed in. (6 cups of food per day in 2 cup incremints.) SHe is eating great, happy and playful. Great mom, cleaning them and attentive. nothing remarkable has happened. Other dogs haven't been in the room. Spoke to my vet this afternoon and he gave me the oxytocin. Her temp is 103 but is panting. That is my usually indication that milk is being made, they get hot and pant. I have been breeding Japanese chin for 10 years and this is my first big dog litter. Never had this problem! She has milk but NOT FULL. I have to really squeeze to get anything out and the pups are working very hard! __________________ Marisa and the Dizzy dogs www.dizzydogs.com Draven and Tang and Baby Rev the GSDs Tony-O, Kazi, Houdini, Chrissy, Tinkerbell, and Treasure the Flyin' chins Waiting at the Bridge: Schnapps the GSD Bandi the BC

07-29-2010, 10:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 17,499	Give her lots of water. What is the temperature. You may have to cool it down for her a little bit. 103 is not terrible, 104 would be too hot, and dangerous. GSDs are not like small dogs that need very warm temperatures. They need plenty of water, and they need, it to be a little cooler. If she stops eating I would worry. This first day the milk is just cholosterum, very important, but does not put much weight on the puppies. They generally lose weight the first day. After the first 24 hours, if they lose weight two days in a row, then supplementing is in order. Hard to say over the internet. I have had 15 ounce puppies go down to 12/13 ounces on the first day, then they generally start climing. If they are suckling, they will be ok most likely. How is the litter doing. Is it loud are they crying a lot -- that could be a problem. If they are sleeping and sucking that is probably just fine. If it is too warm, puppies will lay apart. If it is cooler puppy pile. Mom will stay with them if it is a little cooler and they will sleep right on and about her. If the puppies are piling and staying close to mom, and one is apart -- it could be in trouble. I think you are probably ok, from what I am hearing. Only I am a little worried that she is too warm. __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

07-29-2010, 10:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
gsdmom1 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hazlet, NJ Posts: 40	Selzer/....thanks for the advice. pups are piling together and happy. They fuss a little but mostly eat and sleep. Were very vocal last night but seem to be better today. I will keep an eye out for any changes! Thanks Chris for the chat! I feel better! __________________ Marisa and the Dizzy dogs www.dizzydogs.com Draven and Tang and Baby Rev the GSDs Tony-O, Kazi, Houdini, Chrissy, Tinkerbell, and Treasure the Flyin' chins Waiting at the Bridge: Schnapps the GSD Bandi the BC

07-29-2010, 10:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
BoomandBolt Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 64	well if its like human breast feeding...you can make a nice warm rice bag (put rice in a sock and nuke it till warm, tie the end off) and slide it next to her so it warms them. breastfeeding is wicked painful to start for a human, so I imagine there is some discomfort for say a whole mess of pups.

08-01-2010, 05:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
gsdmom1 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hazlet, NJ Posts: 40	Happy to report that Tangy is lactating. I wish she was fuller but the pups are gaining and dont seem to mind! __________________ Marisa and the Dizzy dogs www.dizzydogs.com Draven and Tang and Baby Rev the GSDs Tony-O, Kazi, Houdini, Chrissy, Tinkerbell, and Treasure the Flyin' chins Waiting at the Bridge: Schnapps the GSD Bandi the BC

08-03-2010, 12:34 AM	#10 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 17,499	sounds good. __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

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