Interesting question

**Lauri & The Gang** · 02-02-2010, 07:09 PM

Here's the setup:

Mary is a pure bred German Shepherd.

Paul is a pure bred German Shepherd.

Mary was bred to Paul and had 8 puppies. One of the 8 puppies looked just like Peter - the intact Collie that lives with Jane. So it is believed that Peter AND Paul had access to Mary.

Now, those other 7 puppies that look JUST like GSDs - can you say they are full blooded GSDs?

I say no. I say you cannot tell (just by looks) which pups came from which sires.

Am I right or wrong? Could an egg from Mary have been fertilized by a sperm from Peter and the puppy came out looking exactly like Mary?

LHunter82FXRS · 02-02-2010, 07:14 PM

Sorry, I can't resist...

The answer is Blowin' in the Wind

jmopaso · 02-02-2010, 07:14 PM

Multiple sires are not uncommon. One could be sired by the collie and be a mixed pup. The other 7 could be pure GSD. AKC even has a multi-sire DNA based form for this situation.

**Samba** · 02-02-2010, 07:31 PM

I think one would need to DNA the pups. I have seen mixes that looked a lot like one parent.

**Chris Wild** · 02-02-2010, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted By: LHunter82FXRSSorry, I can't resist...

The answer is Blowin' in the Wind

In all seriousness now, it is possible for the ones to look like GSDs to be PB GSD, or to be GSD/Collie crosses. You really can't tell for certain which is which, especially with pups. The one that looks like a Collie mix no doubt is a Collie mix, but the ones that look like GSDs may be GSDs, or may be mixes that take after Mary. The only way to know for sure would be to DNA Paul and the pups, to determine which pups are his, and thus PB, and the pups that aren't his then would be Peter's.

angelas · 02-02-2010, 09:53 PM

Here's a questions along the same lines.

In the above scenario, if the pup's were DNA'd would the AKC register the part of the litter that was from the GSD sire?

mysablegsd · 02-02-2010, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted By: LHunter82FXRSSorry, I can't resist...

The answer is Blowin' in the Wind

I think you would have to do DNA to be sure.

Emoore · 02-02-2010, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted By: angela scriverHere's a questions along the same lines.

In the above scenario, if the pup's were DNA'd would the AKC register the part of the litter that was from the GSD sire?

Sure, the AKC is pretty much an honor system when it comes to writing down which dog parented which pup. You could probably register the one that looks like a collie and get away with it.

IllinoisNative · 02-02-2010, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted By: Lauri & The GangMary was bred to Paul and had 8 puppies. One of the 8 puppies looked just like Peter - the intact Collie that lives with Jane. So it is believed that Peter AND Paul had access to Mary.

Now, those other 7 puppies that look JUST like GSDs - can you say they are full blooded GSDs?

This reminds of: If Sue was married to Bob, and Bob's sister is married to Lou but Lou's grandmother is Sue's sister, how are Lou and Sue related?

Bad, bad memories. LOL! And the blowing in the wind answer cracked me up.

But I would figure that only a DNA test woud prove conclusively who the father was. It's like a Maury Povich episode of "Who's the Daddy?"

**Samba** · 02-02-2010, 10:54 PM

I don't know the answer for certain, but I bet the pups with proven DNA could register.

02-02-2010, 07:09 PM	#1 (permalink)
Lauri & The Gang Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: SouthEastern WI Posts: 12,523	Interesting question Here's the setup: Mary is a pure bred German Shepherd. Paul is a pure bred German Shepherd. Mary was bred to Paul and had 8 puppies. One of the 8 puppies looked just like Peter - the intact Collie that lives with Jane. So it is believed that Peter AND Paul had access to Mary. Now, those other 7 puppies that look JUST like GSDs - can you say they are full blooded GSDs? I say no. I say you cannot tell (just by looks) which pups came from which sires. Am I right or wrong? Could an egg from Mary have been fertilized by a sperm from Peter and the puppy came out looking exactly like Mary? __________________ Lauri & The Raw Fed Gang Raw Dog Ranch Tazer HIC CGC – Cocker Winnie CGC - Corgi Mix Chimanes Spice it Up Piquin (Kaynya) - Chinese Crested Sasha - GSD mix Nator von Triton HIC CGC (Mauser) - LC GSD Piquins Some Like it Hot (Spike) – Chinese Crested Piquins Too Hot To Handle - Fuego (Chinese Crested)

02-02-2010, 07:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
LHunter82FXRS Master Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 950	Re: Interesting question Sorry, I can't resist... The answer is Blowin' in the Wind __________________ Chico-GSD-10/13/2007

02-02-2010, 07:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
jmopaso Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NC Posts: 79	Re: Interesting question Multiple sires are not uncommon. One could be sired by the collie and be a mixed pup. The other 7 could be pure GSD. AKC even has a multi-sire DNA based form for this situation. __________________ Grimm v.h. Groot Wezenland, BH, IPO1 (Holland import) Hazel von Narnia (Czech) Hind Di Casa Sintiago (Holland import) Sonador von Narnia (Czech/Slovak/Canadian import) Promoting the working GSD and the working Paso Fino horse.

02-02-2010, 07:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,447	Re: Interesting question I think one would need to DNA the pups. I have seen mixes that looked a lot like one parent. __________________ Carla and The Pack

02-02-2010, 09:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
angelas Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: East Central SK Posts: 1,459	Re: Interesting question Here's a questions along the same lines. In the above scenario, if the pup's were DNA'd would the AKC register the part of the litter that was from the GSD sire?

02-02-2010, 10:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,447	Re: Interesting question I don't know the answer for certain, but I bet the pups with proven DNA could register. __________________ Carla and The Pack

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