Help!! german grammer Problem :-D

smerry · 01-04-2010, 12:24 AM

Okay, so maybe this is silly, but we only decided on a kennel name like just over a month ago, and have not been able to get a hold of anyone who knows enough about german grammer to tell us which preface, i.e. von, vom, or von der, van etc, is correct. the kennel name is Zeder Bach, which is Ceder Creek ... can anyone who knows more german than us help please

I have a german/english dictionary, but cant seem to get anything concrete there. I am horrible with other languages.

Thanks so much,
Sarah

Zisso · 01-04-2010, 01:08 AM

I don't know anything about German Language, but wanted to say hi. I am in the Tacoma area and have family in Rochester and Tenino

smerry · 01-04-2010, 01:42 AM

Hi Zisso :-) We live in Rochester. Really close to the IGA ....

Bennett · 01-04-2010, 07:29 AM

You might contact the foreign language department of a nearby college or university, or even a local high school that offers classes in German. Good luck!

AbbyK9 · 01-04-2010, 07:33 AM

German speaker here. The correct German preposition is "vom".

smerry · 01-04-2010, 11:19 AM

I kind of thought so .... thank you so much. I have so much time and effort invested in this litter(our first, and maybe only) I dont want to look bad/stupid over such a simple detail :-).

If you dont mind another question. I think I remember 'von der' being 'son of', is this correct? And what is 'vom'? 'From'? Like 'From Ceder Creek'?

Thanks again Chris.

Liesje · 01-04-2010, 11:53 AM

There is no "von der" in German. If the noun in the dative prepositional phrase is feminine (or plural, making it feminine), then it would be "von den" which is the same thing as "von".

Von/vom mean of, from, or by.

smerry · 01-04-2010, 12:52 PM

What does it mean then, when the kennel name is von der 'something'?
like Zwinger von der Dornberg? I wish our CC here had a german course ....

**lhczth** · 01-04-2010, 02:19 PM

Lies, that is actually incorrect. There are a number of kennels with von der. For example Zwinger von der Lindenhalle.

**lhczth** · 01-04-2010, 02:21 PM

or Zwinger von der bösen Nachbarschaft, Zwinger von der Kaisersäule, etc.

01-04-2010, 12:24 AM	#1 (permalink)
smerry Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: southwest washington Posts: 217	Help!! german grammer Problem :-D Okay, so maybe this is silly, but we only decided on a kennel name like just over a month ago, and have not been able to get a hold of anyone who knows enough about german grammer to tell us which preface, i.e. von, vom, or von der, van etc, is correct. the kennel name is Zeder Bach, which is Ceder Creek ... can anyone who knows more german than us help please I have a german/english dictionary, but cant seem to get anything concrete there. I am horrible with other languages. Thanks so much, Sarah __________________ Sarah Cora v.d. Schodin, IPO 1 Brisko v. Yukonhausbrg http://www.zederbachkennels.com

01-04-2010, 01:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
Zisso Knighted Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,002	Re: Help!! german grammer Problem :-D I don't know anything about German Language, but wanted to say hi. I am in the Tacoma area and have family in Rochester and Tenino __________________ Nadia - GSD -DOB 12-29-07 Zisso - GSD- DOB 9-16-07 Pepe & Kiki`my sweet kitties Zisso is my heart~Nadia is my Love~My kitties bring me everything in between~Together they bring me Joy!

01-04-2010, 01:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
smerry Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: southwest washington Posts: 217	Re: Help!! german grammer Problem :-D Hi Zisso :-) We live in Rochester. Really close to the IGA .... __________________ Sarah Cora v.d. Schodin, IPO 1 Brisko v. Yukonhausbrg http://www.zederbachkennels.com

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Bennett Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago area Posts: 152	Re: Help!! german grammer Problem :-D You might contact the foreign language department of a nearby college or university, or even a local high school that offers classes in German. Good luck! __________________ Bennett Hildie (Hildegarde Lena At Last)D.O.B. 2/11/07 Rest in Peace Keiki 1/1/92--7/15/03

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01-04-2010, 11:19 AM	#6 (permalink)
smerry Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: southwest washington Posts: 217	Re: Help!! german grammer Problem :-D I kind of thought so .... thank you so much. I have so much time and effort invested in this litter(our first, and maybe only) I dont want to look bad/stupid over such a simple detail :-). If you dont mind another question. I think I remember 'von der' being 'son of', is this correct? And what is 'vom'? 'From'? Like 'From Ceder Creek'? Thanks again Chris. __________________ Sarah Cora v.d. Schodin, IPO 1 Brisko v. Yukonhausbrg http://www.zederbachkennels.com

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Liesje Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 12,962	Re: Help!! german grammer Problem :-D There is no "von der" in German. If the noun in the dative prepositional phrase is feminine (or plural, making it feminine), then it would be "von den" which is the same thing as "von". Von/vom mean of, from, or by. __________________ UCH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop FO OB1 CL1R CL1F RA TT HIT TDI CGC VPC's Coca-Cola HIT CGC SG UCH Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 AD T1 FO PA CL1R UNJ UCA HIT TT CGC OFA SG Pantalaimon vom Geistwasser BH AD HIT CGC

01-04-2010, 12:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
smerry Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: southwest washington Posts: 217	Re: Help!! german grammer Problem :-D What does it mean then, when the kennel name is von der 'something'? like Zwinger von der Dornberg? I wish our CC here had a german course .... __________________ Sarah Cora v.d. Schodin, IPO 1 Brisko v. Yukonhausbrg http://www.zederbachkennels.com

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lhczth Administrator & LOTR Addict Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 11,695	Re: Help!! german grammer Problem :-D Lies, that is actually incorrect. There are a number of kennels with von der. For example Zwinger von der Lindenhalle. __________________ Lisa Clark Zu Treuen Händen Working German Shepherd Dogs *South Michigan SchH and Police Club*

01-04-2010, 02:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
lhczth Administrator & LOTR Addict Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 11,695	Re: Help!! german grammer Problem :-D or Zwinger von der bösen Nachbarschaft, Zwinger von der Kaisersäule, etc. __________________ Lisa Clark Zu Treuen Händen Working German Shepherd Dogs *South Michigan SchH and Police Club*

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