COMMENTS ON BREEDER SELLING STUD THAT ARE STERILE

shepherdbydesign · 02-24-2009, 07:08 PM

RECENTLY I HAD PURCHASED A STUD THAT I WAS GOING TO USE AS A STUD WITH A FEW OF OUR GIRLS. TODAY I WENT TO DO AN AI AND BEFORE DOING THIS I HAD HIS SEMEN CHECKED. TO MY SURPRISE HE HAD NO LIVE ONES. THIS WASN'T A THING WHERE HE WAS INJURED AND I TAKE GREAT CARE OF MY DOGS SO IT IS NOT FOR THE LACK OF THIS. IN JULY SHE HAD HIS SEMEN EVALUATED AND JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW HE COULD HAVE IT DROP OFF THAT FAST.

WHAT WOULD YOU ALL DO IF YOU WERE IN MY SHOES?

DianaM · 02-24-2009, 07:14 PM

I'm not a breeder but I guess that's the cost of doing business, especially in THIS business. Sometimes you just get crapped on. Do people interested in buying a stud dog have purchases contingent on verified sperm counts? Did you see proof of the sperm count? All other health problems were ruled out?

shepherdbydesign · 02-24-2009, 07:24 PM

i HAVE SEEN A EVALUATION FROM JULY 08

**Chris Wild** · 02-24-2009, 07:34 PM

Chuck,

Please stop the all caps posting. It is considered rather rude under the rules of internet etiquette.

As to your question...
Was he evaluated for semen prior to purchasing him? He should have been. That should have been a condition of the purpose. If he was not, live and learn I guess and don't make that mistake again. You may have recourse against the former owner, depending on the stipulations of the purchase contract and if you can prove that the person knowingly sold you a defunct stud dog.

If his semen count and motility at the time of purchase were fine, but he's now sterile, unfortunately that falls in the "stuff happens" category. These are living things. Males go sterile as they age, some earlier than others. There is no way you or the seller could have predicted that, so really no place to lay the blame. Such is the risk of purchasing a stud dog, you never know how long he'll still be viable.

BlackGSD · 02-24-2009, 07:46 PM

When did you get the dog?

shepherdbydesign · 02-24-2009, 08:26 PM

Ok I bought the male in September and the evaluation was done in July, so instead of evaluating him again i thought that it was safe to go with it. The gal did say he was 85% and that is what the report said where she had his semen frozen at. A month later I had his 1st owner contact me saying that she was saying he had reproduction problems and that she was going to sue him. I found out from her that she had to treat him and that everything was on the up and up and that he had no more problems. I have it in writing saying he has been tested and that she gaurantee's his semen to be viable. I take perfectly great care of my dogs to think that it was something that I had done.

I guess that what makes me feel like I got the short end was that I have been trying to contact her for some time and that her web site is down and so is her phone. It makes me feel that she has something to hide when there is no reply to my emails

windwalker718 · 02-24-2009, 08:32 PM

Another consideration is how old is he?? If you purchased an older dog who was still fertile 7 months ago, and there was a certification that he was, there's not a lot you can do. The other question would be if he's been x-rayed lately as that could cause a temporary sterility. I'd suggest that you do another draw in a week or so and see if there's an improvement in the quality of semen/sperm. You said that there were no LIVE semen, so I'm assuming that there were dead sperm there.

DianaM · 02-24-2009, 08:40 PM

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Quote:I guess that what makes me feel like I got the short end was that I have been trying to contact her for some time and that her web site is down and so is her phone. It makes me feel that she has something to hide when there is no reply to my emails

Sounds like it. She had a nice dog that was shooting blanks. Found a way to make money and then ran. Or maybe the dog was indeed fine and then went sterile in a couple months. Next time you buy a stud, arrange to have a semen evaluation by YOUR vet and make sure the semen comes from the right dog.

DianaM · 02-24-2009, 08:41 PM

Can a fertile dog go from "hero" to "zero" in just two months?

djpohn · 02-24-2009, 08:44 PM

Not uncommon in males as Chris mentioned, especially if he is older. Also if he hasn't been collected in a while this could be part of the problem. Also environmental conditions can effect sperm production. We there no sperm or just no live sperm?

02-24-2009, 07:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
shepherdbydesign Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 1,754	COMMENTS ON BREEDER SELLING STUD THAT ARE STERILE RECENTLY I HAD PURCHASED A STUD THAT I WAS GOING TO USE AS A STUD WITH A FEW OF OUR GIRLS. TODAY I WENT TO DO AN AI AND BEFORE DOING THIS I HAD HIS SEMEN CHECKED. TO MY SURPRISE HE HAD NO LIVE ONES. THIS WASN'T A THING WHERE HE WAS INJURED AND I TAKE GREAT CARE OF MY DOGS SO IT IS NOT FOR THE LACK OF THIS. IN JULY SHE HAD HIS SEMEN EVALUATED AND JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND HOW HE COULD HAVE IT DROP OFF THAT FAST. WHAT WOULD YOU ALL DO IF YOU WERE IN MY SHOES? __________________ http://www.shepherdsbydesignk9.com Velmi Dobra 5Y1/P Faust Cierna Vdova ZVV1, BH Narys Policia Slovakia SVV1 Cira Z Eurosport SCH-1 Ben Dobrovodske Lazne SCH-3, IPO-3, ZVV3 Sok Z Lintichu SVV2, IPO-1

02-24-2009, 07:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
DianaM Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 10,096	Re: COMMENTS ON BREEDER SELLING STUD THAT ARE STERILE I'm not a breeder but I guess that's the cost of doing business, especially in THIS business. Sometimes you just get crapped on. Do people interested in buying a stud dog have purchases contingent on verified sperm counts? Did you see proof of the sperm count? All other health problems were ruled out? __________________ Renji - 6 y/o M GSD x chow rescue Training @ The Canine Center - St Cloud, FL "German shepherd dog breeding is working dog breeding or it is not German shepherd dog breeding." -v. Stephanitz

02-24-2009, 07:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
shepherdbydesign Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 1,754	Re: COMMENTS ON BREEDER SELLING STUD THAT ARE STERILE i HAVE SEEN A EVALUATION FROM JULY 08 __________________ http://www.shepherdsbydesignk9.com Velmi Dobra 5Y1/P Faust Cierna Vdova ZVV1, BH Narys Policia Slovakia SVV1 Cira Z Eurosport SCH-1 Ben Dobrovodske Lazne SCH-3, IPO-3, ZVV3 Sok Z Lintichu SVV2, IPO-1

02-24-2009, 07:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	Re: COMMENTS ON BREEDER SELLING STUD THAT ARE STERILE Chuck, Please stop the all caps posting. It is considered rather rude under the rules of internet etiquette. As to your question... Was he evaluated for semen prior to purchasing him? He should have been. That should have been a condition of the purpose. If he was not, live and learn I guess and don't make that mistake again. You may have recourse against the former owner, depending on the stipulations of the purchase contract and if you can prove that the person knowingly sold you a defunct stud dog. If his semen count and motility at the time of purchase were fine, but he's now sterile, unfortunately that falls in the "stuff happens" category. These are living things. Males go sterile as they age, some earlier than others. There is no way you or the seller could have predicted that, so really no place to lay the blame. Such is the risk of purchasing a stud dog, you never know how long he'll still be viable. __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

02-24-2009, 07:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
BlackGSD Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Eastern Washington Posts: 7,795	Re: COMMENTS ON BREEDER SELLING STUD THAT ARE STERILE When did you get the dog? __________________ Tracy Siren vom Banach { Sable female GSD 3-20-08} R.I.P. Wrangler male ACD/Aussie mix. 9-29-99 to8-29-11.

02-24-2009, 08:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
shepherdbydesign Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 1,754	Re: COMMENTS ON BREEDER SELLING STUD THAT ARE STERILE Ok I bought the male in September and the evaluation was done in July, so instead of evaluating him again i thought that it was safe to go with it. The gal did say he was 85% and that is what the report said where she had his semen frozen at. A month later I had his 1st owner contact me saying that she was saying he had reproduction problems and that she was going to sue him. I found out from her that she had to treat him and that everything was on the up and up and that he had no more problems. I have it in writing saying he has been tested and that she gaurantee's his semen to be viable. I take perfectly great care of my dogs to think that it was something that I had done. I guess that what makes me feel like I got the short end was that I have been trying to contact her for some time and that her web site is down and so is her phone. It makes me feel that she has something to hide when there is no reply to my emails __________________ http://www.shepherdsbydesignk9.com Velmi Dobra 5Y1/P Faust Cierna Vdova ZVV1, BH Narys Policia Slovakia SVV1 Cira Z Eurosport SCH-1 Ben Dobrovodske Lazne SCH-3, IPO-3, ZVV3 Sok Z Lintichu SVV2, IPO-1

02-24-2009, 08:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
windwalker718 Master Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NW Connecticut Posts: 864	Re: COMMENTS ON BREEDER SELLING STUD THAT ARE STERILE Another consideration is how old is he?? If you purchased an older dog who was still fertile 7 months ago, and there was a certification that he was, there's not a lot you can do. The other question would be if he's been x-rayed lately as that could cause a temporary sterility. I'd suggest that you do another draw in a week or so and see if there's an improvement in the quality of semen/sperm. You said that there were no LIVE semen, so I'm assuming that there were dead sperm there. __________________ Home of: Bree... Rescue Mutt (12/11) Demi V. Hayden (8/09) SG Ikon V.Wolfstraum--(5/09) & Many beloveds at the gate waiting for me...

02-24-2009, 08:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
DianaM Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 10,096	Re: COMMENTS ON BREEDER SELLING STUD THAT ARE STERILE Can a fertile dog go from "hero" to "zero" in just two months? __________________ Renji - 6 y/o M GSD x chow rescue Training @ The Canine Center - St Cloud, FL "German shepherd dog breeding is working dog breeding or it is not German shepherd dog breeding." -v. Stephanitz

02-24-2009, 08:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
djpohn Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,816	Re: COMMENTS ON BREEDER SELLING STUD THAT ARE STERILE Not uncommon in males as Chris mentioned, especially if he is older. Also if he hasn't been collected in a while this could be part of the problem. Also environmental conditions can effect sperm production. We there no sperm or just no live sperm?

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