Ears and guarantee

WiscTiger · 01-26-2009, 08:22 PM

Just wondering a few things.

Do you guarantee that the pups ears will stand? If not replacement pup or discount?

Do you guarantee the pups ear will stand, but if not up at a certain age require the owner to tape ears?

Val

mkennels · 01-26-2009, 08:43 PM

I don't do that at all, never had a pup that their ears didn't stand but there is no gentic test to prove that non standing ears come from parents plus you don't know how the pup was raised, could have hurt it's ears and never stand, there is several things that could make an ear not stand that is nothing caused by the breeder, now if parents isn't up then unless it was an accident chances are pups ears won't stand by what I heard

selzer · 01-26-2009, 09:50 PM

I have had someone worried about it, so I wrote in the contract that if the ears did not stand, I would replace the puppy.

When the pup was not quite four months old, the owner called and told me the dog is everything he wants. He does not want another puppy, he is afraid they will not stand.

So I went over with an experienced friend to glue them.

The pup had them standing in a perfect triangular canopy over his head. My friend and I both believed the ears would definitely stand on their own, but we glued them to give the guy peace of mind. He has not called back yet. Pups will be six months old in February and I will be calling him then.

WiscTiger · 01-26-2009, 10:47 PM

I was just wondering. I have 4 GSD's three I got as pups, no ear guarantee, but all have ears up. I don't and will never tape, so if in the future I end up with a flop ear so be it, it will never be bred.

I give lots of good things to chew on before, during and after teething. I do mess with my pups ears, they get ear massages. If I have a pup with an ear infection I try to clean and do meds without flipping their ear back, that is really the only precaution I take with ears. well the other thing I do is watch interaction between pup and big dogs.

I just see some strange things in contracts so I thought I would see what is normal.

**Chris Wild** · 01-27-2009, 09:11 AM

We guarantee ears (and testicles and teeth and basically that the dog will meet the FCI standard) but only on pups sold as potential breeding prospects (which is pretty uncommon as most people don't by a pup if they're serious about breeding). Thought being, none of that has any bearing on the pup's ability to be a pet or sport/work/service dog, but of course would disqualify the dog for breeding.

We've never had soft ears or missing teeth or testicles in any of our litters so up until this point it hasn't been an issue. But of course that doesn't mean it will never happen.

emjworks05 · 01-28-2009, 06:13 PM

My breeder said that if my pups ears dont stand within a certain age, the pup gets spayed or neutered, and i get a new pup.

SunCzarina · 01-28-2009, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted By: Emjworks05My breeder said that if my pups ears dont stand within a certain age, the pup gets spayed or neutered, and i get a new pup.

would you want a new pup? I couldn't imagine doing that.

emjworks05 · 01-28-2009, 06:49 PM

No, I couldn't do that. Now if i got the pup spayed or neutered and got to keep him/her and got a replacement pup then yeah i would opt to take the new pup too.

Caledon · 02-10-2009, 04:13 PM

As a purchaser, I would like that guarantee. What that says to me is that the breeder is not breeding dogs with soft ears and will stand behind his/her dogs. I would also like the offer of helping me if the ears do not stand.

After bonding with my puppy I would not return her because of soft ears, because she is my pet (and she does have have one that is leaning at 7 mths). If I bought her for breeding then this would be an issue and I would look for a discount.

selzer · 02-11-2009, 01:05 AM

soft ears are genetic. If you are buying a puppy for breeding purposes, and it has soft ears, then you do not want to breed the dog. You may need to buy another dog for your breeding program.

If you are a breeder, you may find it necessary to sell some of your older dogs, and some dogs that did not work out for one reason or another as young adults. Otherwise, you go from breeder to hoarder.

Right now I have two I SHOULD sell and will never breed, but I cannot do it.

I guess I would rather someone get another pup and speuter or return the first pup rather than breed the flaw.

01-26-2009, 08:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
WiscTiger Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 15,171	Ears and guarantee Just wondering a few things. Do you guarantee that the pups ears will stand? If not replacement pup or discount? Do you guarantee the pups ear will stand, but if not up at a certain age require the owner to tape ears? Val __________________ Wisctiger@msn.com Cheyenne-2/02 DeeDee Little Bit-6/02 Lakota-1/03 Raya-9/05

01-26-2009, 08:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
mkennels Master Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 932	Re: Ears and guarantee I don't do that at all, never had a pup that their ears didn't stand but there is no gentic test to prove that non standing ears come from parents plus you don't know how the pup was raised, could have hurt it's ears and never stand, there is several things that could make an ear not stand that is nothing caused by the breeder, now if parents isn't up then unless it was an accident chances are pups ears won't stand by what I heard __________________ Janet UKC CH Mystical Talyn D'Argo, TT, OFA H/E, CERF, AKC DNA UKC CH Gretchen Julika Little Star, TT, OFA, Cerf, AKC DNA Von Hornberger's Mystical Knight, TT, CERF, AKC DNA, OFA Ranita's Heavenly Angel R.I.P 9/15/07-10/15/08 http://www.mysticalkennels.com

01-26-2009, 09:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 17,499	Re: Ears and guarantee I have had someone worried about it, so I wrote in the contract that if the ears did not stand, I would replace the puppy. When the pup was not quite four months old, the owner called and told me the dog is everything he wants. He does not want another puppy, he is afraid they will not stand. So I went over with an experienced friend to glue them. The pup had them standing in a perfect triangular canopy over his head. My friend and I both believed the ears would definitely stand on their own, but we glued them to give the guy peace of mind. He has not called back yet. Pups will be six months old in February and I will be calling him then. __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

01-26-2009, 10:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
WiscTiger Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 15,171	Re: Ears and guarantee I was just wondering. I have 4 GSD's three I got as pups, no ear guarantee, but all have ears up. I don't and will never tape, so if in the future I end up with a flop ear so be it, it will never be bred. I give lots of good things to chew on before, during and after teething. I do mess with my pups ears, they get ear massages. If I have a pup with an ear infection I try to clean and do meds without flipping their ear back, that is really the only precaution I take with ears. well the other thing I do is watch interaction between pup and big dogs. I just see some strange things in contracts so I thought I would see what is normal. __________________ Wisctiger@msn.com Cheyenne-2/02 DeeDee Little Bit-6/02 Lakota-1/03 Raya-9/05

01-27-2009, 09:11 AM	#5 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	Re: Ears and guarantee We guarantee ears (and testicles and teeth and basically that the dog will meet the FCI standard) but only on pups sold as potential breeding prospects (which is pretty uncommon as most people don't by a pup if they're serious about breeding). Thought being, none of that has any bearing on the pup's ability to be a pet or sport/work/service dog, but of course would disqualify the dog for breeding. We've never had soft ears or missing teeth or testicles in any of our litters so up until this point it hasn't been an issue. But of course that doesn't mean it will never happen. __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

01-28-2009, 06:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
emjworks05 Elite Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: OR, Sweethome Posts: 1,430	Re: Ears and guarantee My breeder said that if my pups ears dont stand within a certain age, the pup gets spayed or neutered, and i get a new pup. __________________ Jessica Annie- 3 yo GSD Beowulf- 1 yo GSD Highplains Christmas Shimmer- Noel

01-28-2009, 06:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
emjworks05 Elite Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: OR, Sweethome Posts: 1,430	Re: Ears and guarantee No, I couldn't do that. Now if i got the pup spayed or neutered and got to keep him/her and got a replacement pup then yeah i would opt to take the new pup too. __________________ Jessica Annie- 3 yo GSD Beowulf- 1 yo GSD Highplains Christmas Shimmer- Noel

02-10-2009, 04:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
Caledon Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Ontario Posts: 1,786	Re: Ears and guarantee As a purchaser, I would like that guarantee. What that says to me is that the breeder is not breeding dogs with soft ears and will stand behind his/her dogs. I would also like the offer of helping me if the ears do not stand. After bonding with my puppy I would not return her because of soft ears, because she is my pet (and she does have have one that is leaning at 7 mths). If I bought her for breeding then this would be an issue and I would look for a discount.

02-11-2009, 01:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 17,499	Re: Ears and guarantee soft ears are genetic. If you are buying a puppy for breeding purposes, and it has soft ears, then you do not want to breed the dog. You may need to buy another dog for your breeding program. If you are a breeder, you may find it necessary to sell some of your older dogs, and some dogs that did not work out for one reason or another as young adults. Otherwise, you go from breeder to hoarder. Right now I have two I SHOULD sell and will never breed, but I cannot do it. I guess I would rather someone get another pup and speuter or return the first pup rather than breed the flaw. __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

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