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Mocha Joe 01-03-2014 02:04 PM

Black Sable, show quality?
 
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Hi guys, I'm new to this site and I've browsed posting rules and believe I'm allowed to post such thread. If not please let me know where I should be posting!

Anyways, I have two sable GSDs. I've always assumed they were not a qualified color. But as my 5 month old eastern line shepherd is beautiful in color and structure, I've begun a little more research. According to the AKC, only white is an instant disqualification, and that rich colors are the most preferred. My female is a light sable so I know she is not of show color, however I'm having a hard time making the call on my puppy. I'm going to try and upload his picture and am looking for some opinions! Thanks in advance!

dawnandjr 01-03-2014 02:13 PM

Are you talking AKC, UKC or SV show?

Mocha Joe 01-03-2014 02:13 PM

Akc

jocoyn 01-03-2014 02:28 PM

Sable dogs tend to be working lines and, while there is no disqualification, working line structure is not typical of what the "show" crowd wants. Handsome pup. The older one appears to be German Showlines. Once again not the AKC cup of tea. But it is hard to tell from such a small picture.

If you look at the critique my dog section you can pose your dog in a stack and ask opinions. What is the pedigree? You could probably get involved with schutzhund and show under SV rules but, once again, for show there, black and red is favored. A lot of us on the forum love the working lines though.

LaRen616 01-03-2014 02:30 PM

My goodness he is gorgeous! :wub:

I would LOVE to see a sable in the show ring!

Mocha Joe 01-03-2014 02:31 PM

Thank you for the information, I'll be sure to check that thread out now!

Mocha Joe 01-03-2014 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LaRen616 (Post 4767082)
My goodness he is gorgeous! :wub:

I would LOVE to see a sable in the show ring!


Thank you! I adore his color!

martemchik 01-03-2014 02:35 PM

I’m going to be pretty blunt…

Looks like you have a working line male. It’s highly likely that although he does have good structure, it is not AKC quality structure. Since you’re asking this question and basing it off of color, I’ll assume that you don’t know much about the structure the AKC judges like to see. Sadly, “good structure” is a very subjective term and not objective like it should be. Yes, you can enter your boy into any AKC show you want (given that he is AKC registered and intact), but the likelihood that you’ll actually win anything, is slim to none. If you post a stacked picture of your dog, from a straight on angle (not above or below him) we’d be able to go into more detail of why your dog will probably not do very well in the AKC ring, at the moment I’m just going off of the pictures you posted and the understanding that a dark-sable like that is unlikely to have come from American Show Lines.

If you want to give it a go, I suggest an all-breed show. At a specialty show…99% of the time you’ll probably end up dead last.

I’m not saying this because I think your dog is bad, I’m basing it off of my knowledge of the AKC show ring. The same would go for the SV ring. You could probably have some success in UKC.

Mocha Joe 01-03-2014 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jocoyn (Post 4767050)

If you look at the critique my dog section you can pose your dog in a stack and ask opinions. What is the pedigree? You could probably get involved with schutzhund and show under SV rules but, once again, for show there, black and red is favored. A lot of us on the forum love the working lines though.

His father is a Sch3 Slovakian Military K9, and he has definitely inherited his drive. His mother is from DDR working lines, but was kept as a family protector only. Unfortunately for me the only Schutzhund trainer in my area is moving soon and no longer taking new clients. However I've been researching a few clubs and started his basic obedience, tracking etc with a different trainer. Hopefully when I am ready to move I will find a trainer close by.

Mocha Joe 01-03-2014 02:42 PM

Martemchik, Since I've never actually shown a dog, what I know of the AKC standard is only what I've been able to read from their website and the books I've been able to get my hands on. What I know of his structure is what I am able to measure with my vet and since he is young I can only make estimates. I'm only asking about his color first because I couldn't really gather if it was frowned upon, and didn't want to waste any more of my time furthering my research if he was an automatic no.


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