Here's a better picture(not of her):

 

Another comparison I think we should note, so, do you guys think we could've stretched out the early 1900s dogs out as much as this WL.

 

I think that of all the bloodlines, the working lines have changed the least. With some of today's dogs, you can put them right up against a photo from 1920 and it looks like the same dog! But the biggest difference I see is that many working line dogs have more substantial bone and heads than in the early days. I also notice more angulation.

 

Yes definitely, especially the bigger heads.

 

 

What a great thread!!

 

Thanks! Another question would be, am I the only one who thinks that modern day breeders could cross some Malinois into their lines? I find Malinois to have a structure very similar to that of the first GSDs.

 

I've also noticed that on the first dogs, the withers weren't the highest point on their toplines, has anyone else noticed that?

 

I remember watching the old black and white Rin-Tin-Tin movies with my Grandma...for me it was love at first sight. He was SUCH a beautiful dog!


Edward A. Bellande with Rin Tin Tin — 1925

 

don't do it
" am I the only one who thinks that modern day breeders could cross some Malinois into their lines? I find Malinois to have a structure very similar to that of the first GSDs"

 

I did not know that you got that much snow in Texas!!!!

I have a dog who looks like ooooold GSDs that I have posted before next to the pic you posted but I can't find the thread. She's not a PB GSD. I think their form and structure are such that they were sturdier looking dogs in these historical photos. Found it - old thread (please no one restart it!) http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/choosing-breeder/105431-help-breeder.html#post1427391

 

There is a huge resemblance!

 

That IS a lot of snow for Texas - so your mom has TWO dogs? But you are not allowed to do anything with either? That must be really though . . .

The Malinois has a very different structure than a GSD. A GSD is supposed to be longer than they are tall - Mals have shorter backs that gives them a more square. They have no or very little rear angulation. Their neck and the way their head sits on top of their neck is different. The shape of their head is different.

When people talk of mixing GSDs and Malinois, it is not to improve structure, but to get more drive for specific working venues.

 

Here's a couple pics of my past dogs, not in a stack but I don't have many online of them..

The first dog was born in 87 Jake out of old grafental lines

The second one was my AM line Kodi, the "mutant"..He was HUGE and not intended to be, 32" at the shoulders had a nose you could land a leer jet on He was born in 91

The third is Masi today, slovak/ddr/czech

The last is Dodge, @ 6months, DDR/Am showline cross, born in 96 ..All except Kodi have pretty much stayed consistent in structural type over the years..I'll have to find one of Sami , who was czech /am built like a malinois but had the brains of a gsd

 

just wanted to add, good topic Heidi

 

Thanks for all your replies, I only moved here the beginning of summer so the snow is in WV, not TX lol. My mom only has the sable in this thread, which other dog were you thinking about?

 

The puppy you have in your avatar? I thought that was your mom's dog - that is a different dog than the one you posted.

 

It's the same dog as a puppy, sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

Heidi, does your mom work her dog? If so, I can see why she'd only want one handler working her dog.

 

No, the dog is a pet and I guess she just doesn't want to drive me places with her. (I don't know why Karma is any different than Sasha)

 

the originals looked more like a coyote/mal mix not as powerfully built as some of the working line today, looks like a marathon runner.

werent they more of farm guard and herding dogs back then? Then made the transition to police? Just curious. I bet great for predator protection.

 

the policeman here told me most of the dogs are crosses between gsd and mal I thought that was strange. That was in Kingston. Maybe they wanted the mind of the mal with the power of the gsd. I have not seen these dogs though he just told me about them. Hes not a k9 handler just works with them I guess.

 

Are you not allowed to do things with your Mom's dog, or does she not want to drive you to classes?

If classes are the problem, then look in the training part of the forum for ideas of ways to train the dog. I trained my first dog with saltine crackers and no leash.

 

A mix of both, but mostly driving.

 

Hate to be rude, but please pm me, I don't want to change the thread topic.

 

Heidi, do you think your mom would let you train her dog at home? Just basic obedience and maybe some tricks? If she sees that you are truly interested and motivated to succeed, and it isn't just a "phase" you're going through, she might take you more seriously.

 

Yes I think she would, but I'm not sure. I might go work with Karma now(the dog lol).

 

Heidi, can you get to a library?? Take out some dog training or even trick training books and start teaching Karma (I think that's your moms dogs name) some stuff !

If you can find Clicking with your Dog by Peggy Tilman, its' GREAT, very very easy to read, step by step, teaching dogs all kinds of behaviors with a cheap clicker

Just something to think about

 

Thanks, I have a few books, but I will gladly look for more. I should be able to get some books somewhere.

 

I know, I definetly don't agree. Does a dog like the first even exist in GSDs anymore?

 

Probably on a farm in an old town where the family has just been breeding their own best tender to their own best tender to keep a good dog on the sheep. I doubt they're registered, they probably sleep in the barn... and they're probably fantastic dogs.