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Old 04-19-2013, 11:00 AM   #211 (permalink)
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It is not supporting BYB to use AKC - it is supporting BYB to use Continental KC, American Pet Registry or UKC who will let you register a litter from a dog who has non breeding AKC papers.

Lots and lots of good SAR dogs are UKC. I don't consider them to be BYB dogs.
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Lots and lots of good SAR dogs are UKC. I don't consider them to be BYB dogs.
But what annoys us as breeders about the UKC is that they will grant full registration to a dog that the breeder has sold with a limited AKC registration.
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I agree, that UKC would have a better standing if they honored the limited registration. I understand that the AKC might let people get around their limited registration also though.

It is sad that that really doesn't mean what it could mean.

But the UKC allows the white Germand Shepherd dogs to be shown, which allows the fanciers of those dogs an avenue to prove their conformation and get championships.

So it is kind of a toss up. For typical GSDs I wouldn't want anything to do with the UKC. But if I knew someone who wanted a white one, I would suggest someone who shows UKC, and hopefully has AKC papers on the dog.
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Doesn't the UKC do "All Around" shows? To get a Ch., you have to not only look good, but show some kind of working ability through OB?
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No one wants to touch the fact that all the junk registries register GSDs. I cannot believe the SV gives them a license to do so. But for some reason the AKC needs permission to use the name -- that is really strange to me.
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The UKC is not a "junk registry" and plenty of people with very good GSDs (working even) from great breedings participate in UKC events. The UKC is over 100 years old and places high emphasis on work and performance, not just conformation (Total Dog awards). If you don't like the UKC then don't register dogs or participate but get it straight before lumping it in with APRI, ConKC, etc. Several of the most titled, successful (not just sport but SAR and Service work) GSDs I know are regular participants in our UKC events.
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The UKC is not a "junk registry" and plenty of people with very good GSDs (working even) from great breedings participate in UKC events. The UKC is over 100 years old and places high emphasis on work and performance, not just conformation (Total Dog awards). If you don't like the UKC then don't register dogs or participate but get it straight before lumping it in with APRI, ConKC, etc. Several of the most titled, successful (not just sport but SAR and Service work) GSDs I know are regular participants in our UKC events.
But they give full registration to AKC dogs with limited registrations. That's awful. What is their reasoning behind that?
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This article does a good job pointing out the core differences between the AKC and UKC and how it's affected their growth in recent years if anyone is interested in reading it or isn't familiar with the UKC.
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But they give full registration to AKC dogs with limited registrations. That's awful. What is their reasoning behind that?
Why is it awful? Why would they care about AKC limited registration? They give full registration to dogs with verifiable pedigrees. I don't deal with AKC limited registration so I don't know all the nuances with that, but I guess I don't get why they would limit participation in their organization because of someone's agreement with a different organization.
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The whole point of a limited registration is to protect dogs so that they do not land as breeding stock. I am not a fan of a limited registration. It costs just as much to breed, whelp, and raise a pet puppy as it does to raise a show prospect/breeding prospect. But if for some reason you cut the price of a puppy on a limited registration, or you feel for some reason, example would be a trial breeding, maybe an inbreeding that you did to find what recessive genes are present, but you do not want those puppies bred. Or if the dog has some fault, minor or major, like a white or blue coat, and you do not want that puppy bred.

There are people out there that will for the sake of color alone, pandas, blues, livers, and perhaps whites, though they are relatively common, will breed a dog without consideration of all else. In the past a breeder would simply cull such a puppy, meaning kill it right at birth. Other breeders would give the puppy without papers. But we have a such thing as a limited registration so that these dogs are not used soley to forward a fault.

Often the people get the dogs with a limited registration for a fraction of the cost. And then they turn around and register it with UKC and breed away. It is not like they need to get titles or championship points, or a breed survey to breed in the UKC. So it is not like anyone is looking at the dog and saying, oh it has this major fault, it should not be bred, sorry.

I guess maybe breeders should just cull the puppies they feel should not be bred from the get go. Or speuter them at eight weeks of age. Or sell them without any papers.
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