Longcoat vs stock coat

[RocketDog]

Originally Posted by Lauri & The Gang

If a breeder is breeding JUST for the long coat then they may end up with temperament issues. When you limit your gene pool you run the risk of concentrating the BAD stuff along with the good stuff.

My LC boy Mauser was the only coated puppy in his litter. The sire has the gene to throw coats so it was a genetic gamble that they would appear in the litter.

Lucky me!! I LOVE the long coats. I love to run my fingers through his hair and the shedding really IS less than with my previous stock coats.

BUT - his undercoat is much MORE!! I am in the process of trying to work out all the undercoat he's built up over the past couple months (I'm behind on my brushing).

Since we live in such a cold climate pretty far north, Rocket's undercoat is THICK. I do seriously find he sheds much less than any other dog I've ever had. I don't know if it's just individual genetics, or if it's because his hair "takes longer to grow therefore stays in longer" that I've heard. Frankly, I just enjoy it! But come May/June....oh, the nightmare of shedding the undercoat!


(Also, my dog seems to have Puhlenty of drive! )

[carmspack]

long stock coat do tend to be different in temperament . If you go back into the regional types that were unified into the "breed" that we now recognize as the GSD . The long stock coat was a type found in


in the Swabian Wurttemberger area . They were larger more heavy set , lower stationed, dogs with a greater variety of colour , and ears that might have been drop or fallen (partial up - semi erect) , thick under coat , slow to anger , not reactive arrousal, high in active aggression --- with high thresholds.

[carmspack]

My long stock coat , Sumo , likewise is a powerful worker , has tackled a sheep that got through the fencing at the back -- running alongside with total grip on its neck (from top or crest) meanwhile digging in deep and hard with his hind legs to control the sheeps movement. When the sheep flipped and he lost his grip and the sheep ran again , Sumo ran after and broadsided the sheep sending it skidding on its side and Sumo the same - both. By then the farmer on his all terrain did the rest. This was the totally natural instinctive drive of the dog , never having had physical contact with sheep , though viewing them peacefully each on the right side of the wire fence at the back of our ten acres.
He is the sire of the pups that Rush and Saphire got.
He is a total smooch --- .
I would say the same thing of my Mathias a long stock bicolour . They are related in that Sumo's dam is Case and Mathias's dam is Case's sister Rachel (black sable) -- different sires .
Very easy trainability .
Very rugged . And I agree they do not shed as much , but when it does come out it tends to twist into ropey clumps which can only be removed when ready .
The outside guard hair are not "long" the undercoat is very dense . Plush .

[Lilie]

Originally Posted by carmspack

Sumo ran after and broadsided the sheep sending it skidding on its side and Sumo the same - both.

Exactly the same thing Hondo did (twice) when we had a stray dog come up on our place. He totally body slammed them, knocking them off their feet.

[RocketDog]

I would agree with the "slow to anger" and "high threshold" in Rocket's case. I don't know about the "high active aggression"-- I don't know enough about how to see that.

[Freestep]

I posted a thread about this a while back--I have heard breeders say that the sweetest puppies are frequently longcoats. And in fact, I have noticed that coaties are generally calm and easygoing in temperament. I just wonder if there is any kind of link between temperament and coat type? Some folks swear that different colors have different temperaments--I've heard that about several different breeds.

[Liesje]

Maybe it's the owners? Most of the LC owners I know are really good trainers and really dog savvy people. I'm not talking about being HIT SchH trainers, but people that just have a knack for training all sorts of things and for the breed itself.

[Lilie]

Originally Posted by Liesje

Maybe it's the owners? Most of the LC owners I know are really good trainers and really dog savvy people. I'm not talking about being HIT SchH trainers, but people that just have a knack for training all sorts of things and for the breed itself.

Yea! That's gotta be it!!!

[Raffilr]

My gsd dog is a long coat sable and it came with akc papers here he is at 8 wks and 8 months I register him with no problems


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[Freestep]

Originally Posted by Liesje

Maybe it's the owners? Most of the LC owners I know are really good trainers and really dog savvy people. I'm not talking about being HIT SchH trainers, but people that just have a knack for training all sorts of things and for the breed itself.

Not in my experience--most of my clients with coaties are just average pet owners, families, typical American households... with the 2.5 kids and the dog, you know, nice regular folks but not what I would call savvy trainers. Their dogs are pretty nice, even though they're not highly trained, intensely exercised, or participating in any doggie activities or sports. So I don't know.

The only weird longcoat I've met was a 4 year old female who shivered and drooled the whole time I was grooming her. The owner said she'd had parvo as a puppy and that she'd been that way ever since. And even then, she wasn't aggressive or skittish, never bit, fought, or resisted anything, just shivered and drooled.