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Old 11-09-2012, 06:59 PM   #71 (permalink)
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I do agree though that Xeph's pic is a very pretty dog. A bit longer than I'm used to seeing
AKC calls for a longer dog than the SV standard AmLines do have a tendency to go too long, though. My young bitch is shorter coupled

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Old 11-09-2012, 07:08 PM   #72 (permalink)
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She's pretty too
She looks more like the ASL dogs I've met so far lol, in length/height ratio. (: I like that her topline doesn't slope down like "\" It's pretty gradual imo... Nice Looks like she has a nice tail too!
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She does! I am also a nutter about tails! Short tails annoy me to no end!

The other thing I love about this girl is her pasterns. Our AmLines also have a tendency to have pasterns that are far too weak (Mogwai has this issue)
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Hers do look pretty good against my diagrams (I feel like such a nerdy newb >.>).
A lot of the ASL dogs I've met have actually had bigger problems with terrible topline slopes, and cow hocks :/
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I can make the above bitch look fairly extreme if I want to. One thing you really need to learn (and it is hard at first) is to see the difference between a dog that is truly extreme and a dog that is stacked to look that way.

A topling can drop rather sharply if stacked the right way. Topline does not necessarily indicate true angulation.

There are all sorts of tricks to make a dog look more extreme than it is.
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I'm not talking about dogs who look extreme in a stack, I'm talking dogs who are so sloped that their backs are like "\" when they're trotting, stacking, standing, etc. I have seen a few dogs that looked fine until their owners stacked them, and then APPEARED to have a lot more angulation. But when they moved or weren't stacked I could see that they weren't too sloped after all lol.
And with hocks so weak that they not only turn inward but make it clear the dog struggles walking.

I have also seen my fair share (for my inexperience) of ASL dogs who I quite like the look, movement and personality of. All in the breeding/genetics (:
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Ahhh, I see what you're saying

Mirada's looser in ligamentation than I'd like, but she won't knit you any new clothing going away. She's a pretty wet dog in general, though.

Vixie and Wesson are much dryer in movement and overall appearance.

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None of their hocks seem to turn inward, I like that. I also like her expression and feminine face. Nice slope again... And she looks to be about the same length/height ratio as Koda is (:

And another nice tail
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Hocks turn in for a number of reasons as well. Loose ligaments, overstretched, or just a general growth spurt.

Mirada's hocks turned inward for a little while at around 4.5-5 months old. She had this growth spurt and had a TON of rear and was all awkward and floppy.

Then she grew up, LOL
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Ahhh, that makes sense (:
You're the first to explain that to me This is why I love this forum. I learn in person, yes. But I also learn a ton from everyone on here. And yall don't give me dirty looks for getting it wrong or asking questions
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