[Liesje]

Thanks, Lies! We are working through the last behavior and control issues and maybe we will do formal agility. He is AWESOME for lure coursing, though. A very close tracker of the lure. I may trial him for the CAT in Sept so I will really get a true feel of the speed and following. As for flyball, oh yeah, he would be great at taking down all those other dogs getting all of his balls.

To me he's like the "sport pack" GSD mix! I like square dogs (yes I know GSDs are not square). I read an article on agility conformation and I think the author said there's no such thing as a dog that's *too* short-coupled when it comes to agility.

Pan has done so well at flyball but I'm not sure it will last. I've been keeping him lean but he's put on a few pounds naturally (he's not quite 2 years old yet so he will fill out) and I've noticed that he's having more and more trouble controlling his body at his speed and drive. Last night he basically vaulted over the box, he hit it so hard (and he has a very nice, safe swimmer's turn, it's not a training problem he's just SO fast and SO big, for a flyball dog).

 

[Kev]

In my opinion, Klodo v. boxberg is the perfect type of gsd. Nice length to height ratio.
A more modern GSD look that I like is Ingo v. rudigen, nice blocky head and a look of a square but strong body.
But this is just what I see.

 

[4TheDawgies]

I see exactly what you guys mean about the running down a hill. Makes total sense why its described as such now.

this is such a cool thread.

 

[elisabeth_00117]

I am learning so much from this thread - thanks to all who are contributing!

 

[DianaM]

Wow, thanks Carmen! He is balanced enough to trot for long periods but he sure does live to run. Interesting comparison to the sloughi; the general build is so similar. I know GSDs are supposed to be longer than tall however there are also lots of GSDs that seem too long. My preference is to the more square GSDs.

Can this thread be stickied? All of the structure and movement threads are so informative.

 

[Wolfgeist]

Can this thread be stickied? All of the structure and movement threads are so informative.

:thumbup:

 

[DunRingill]

NOT dry I think we could have fit another dog in his skin with him!

 

[wildo]

Based on a comment from Carmen about APBTs and "anathematic" breeding practices (nice word Carmen!), I was just looking up some reputable breeders of APBTs when I saw this photo:

It totally reminded me of this thread. Certainly this is a "dry" dog!

Photo credit: http://www.caragankennel.com/2011/09/enforcer/

 

[christinaekenn]

I am enjoying reading this thread. I personally think most GSD's are lacking in their front end angulation, mine included. What I do find interesting is that many people (not saying here, just in general), claim a dog with a straight front will never hold up to work or be athletic. I am used to fairly extreme front angles because I cane from border collies. How low can you go right? Well, I also love Malinois, and I am trying to get past their often stick straight front ends. But I am sure we have all seen their extreme speed and athleticism in general. Not a ground covering breed at the trot but certainly their front ends are not the death of them.

And Lies, I also like more square although incorrect for the breed. My 2 1/2 year old male is probably as wrong as they come for a GSD boy. He is on the low side of the standard for height, lighter in bone, and shorter in back. He is fairly compact and probably 70 pounds soaking wet on a good day, if that. But he is incredibly athletic in agility or IPO and I think he will hold up for years to come.

 

[carmspack]

that's a well built utility dog , a good working structure , not as you say as wrong as they come for a GSD !!! Maybe a little short in the upper arm , but look at the strength this dog has through his beautiful back and rear --
is it possible to get you to show the dog in a trot -- I bet he can go all day and settle in to a rhythm . This is what its all about .
Oh and pedigree -- I am thinking he has quite a bit of DDR behind him ?

Carmen
CARMSPACK.com

 

[christinaekenn]

Thanks Shepherd people generally think him ugly. Because he is the size of a good sized female these days. Those that love him, absolutely love him. I used to hate it because he just isn't that "jaw on the floor" type of masculine male. But now I LOVE the general size and structure of this dog. He truly can do anything- a very moderate working dog. And he is hard on his body with no signs of breaking apart. He can go all day long. Maybe not a huge ground covering trot but moderate and very easy. It takes a lot to get him tired at a trot. He is only about 28 months in those photos and still filling out. What he lacks in size he more than makes up for in temperament though. I will try and get a photo or video of him trotting.

Not a DDR dog http://www.working-dog.eu/dogs-details/527902/Traumatizer-von-Schraderhaus

 

[GSD07]

Beautiful dog, love the structure. I have no idea how someone could call him ugly. He's a perfect size and very masculine to me. I also always liked the looks of his sire.

I know of your dog's littermate, and he didn't turn out so good in health and temperament, even though he's a handsome dog as well. Hope to see more pics of your boy!

 

[christinaekenn]

Yes, it is unfortunate that one of the puppies did not turn out well...but such is the part of breeding. My boy has one of the best temperaments you could ask for in a dog and a very sound body, so that is good You can see photos here as he grew Trauma | Facebook

and lots of videos of Trauma here https://vimeo.com/user1307241/videos