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786 · 08-29-2010, 05:39 PM

hi guys there is a guy who lives in my road who wants to mate his gsd they are litter mates and they are 1year and 7months old the female is on heat at this current moment.i did some research and found that it is not such a good idea.they are very nice dogs.I tried talking him out of it but its not working.can you guys shed some light on this issue as i am going to him to give him all the research i have done.I am almost sure his dogs doesnt have pedigree's aswell.please list your previous experience on inbreeding and what could go wrong

jaggirl47 · 08-29-2010, 06:30 PM

Well, to start off with, there are many genetic issues that are common in the breed. EPI, hip displaysia, heart problems, DM, and the list goes on. Linebreeding can be good in certain situations. However, this is when you are trying to better the breed by producing better hips, nerves, etc. There are many breeders on this board who can explain better than me. When you breed a dog, you also need to insure they have health checks, OFA/SV/PennHip cert., etc.

**JKlatsky** · 08-29-2010, 06:36 PM

First, inbreeding will cause any underlying genetic problem to show up. This can mean sickly puppies. This site has some good considerations to consider for breeding.

Breeding Your Dog

jaggirl47 · 08-29-2010, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JKlatsky

First, inbreeding will cause any underlying genetic problem to show up. This can mean sickly puppies. This site has some good considerations to consider for breeding.

Breeding Your Dog

Thanks JKlatsky. I'm still learning.

**Samba** · 08-29-2010, 06:45 PM

It is a quick way to find out what sort of undesirable recessives are in the lines. I wouldn't want to do it because you might see some problem pups.

Doc · 08-29-2010, 09:03 PM

without knowing the genetic make up of the sire and dam and their pedigrees, a brother to sister cross could be a disaster. Close line breeding and in breeding is best left up to breeders that know a great deal of the bloodlines and pedigrees of the mating pair.

**MaggieRoseLee** · 08-29-2010, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 786

hi guys there is a guy who lives in my road who wants to mate his gsd they are litter mates and they are 1year and 7months old the female is on heat at this current moment.i did some research and found that it is not such a good idea.they are very nice dogs.I tried talking him out of it but its not working.can you guys shed some light on this issue as i am going to him to give him all the research i have done.I am almost sure his dogs doesnt have pedigree's aswell.please list your previous experience on inbreeding and what could go wrong

7 months old is too young for the bitch (along with pretty much everything else with the idea of breeding these 2). If the guy doesn't even have a clue that brother/sister is a bad idea, not thinking there is anything you can say to him.

Breeding Your Dog

That has good info

dawnandjr · 08-29-2010, 09:11 PM

I have heard too, or maybe I read it, that close inbreeding like that may not produce many pups at all. Lets hope not.I think I remember a brother/sister accident, and it only produced one pup. Maybe that would put him off, if he didnt think he could make that much money off of only one pup. Since that 'seems' to be his only motivation.

**Samba** · 08-29-2010, 09:15 PM

It can produce pups sometimes.

onyx'girl · 08-29-2010, 09:20 PM

I know of a brother/sister(solid black) who accidentally hooked up and three pups were born, vet advised to go ahead with the pregnancy.
One was a blue and according to the owner~not smart at all. She still has the blue, let family members take the other two(blacks).

08-29-2010, 05:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
786 New Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 24	inbred hi guys there is a guy who lives in my road who wants to mate his gsd they are litter mates and they are 1year and 7months old the female is on heat at this current moment.i did some research and found that it is not such a good idea.they are very nice dogs.I tried talking him out of it but its not working.can you guys shed some light on this issue as i am going to him to give him all the research i have done.I am almost sure his dogs doesnt have pedigree's aswell.please list your previous experience on inbreeding and what could go wrong __________________ GSD SA

08-29-2010, 06:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
jaggirl47 Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 2,936	Well, to start off with, there are many genetic issues that are common in the breed. EPI, hip displaysia, heart problems, DM, and the list goes on. Linebreeding can be good in certain situations. However, this is when you are trying to better the breed by producing better hips, nerves, etc. There are many breeders on this board who can explain better than me. When you breed a dog, you also need to insure they have health checks, OFA/SV/PennHip cert., etc. __________________ SBD Posejpal's Leyna, HCTs Coming Soon: SBD Posejpal's Jagermeister...call name Zeus At the rainbow bridge: Zappa 12/27/2000-1/23/2012 You are my heart, my soul, and my best friend. You will be with me always.

08-29-2010, 06:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
JKlatsky Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Riverview, FL Posts: 2,985	First, inbreeding will cause any underlying genetic problem to show up. This can mean sickly puppies. This site has some good considerations to consider for breeding. Breeding Your Dog __________________ Argos vom Eisernen Loewen VPG1, CGC, TC 3-3-07 Bianka vom Eisernen Loewen BH, CGC, TC 1-3-08 Cade vom Eisernen Loewen CGC 3-25-09 D'Artagnan (Tag) vom Eisernen Loewen 2-2-10 G Aiko von Burkndeiros SchH 3, IPO3, FH, TC, KKL2 9-17-02

08-29-2010, 09:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
dawnandjr Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Macedon, NY Posts: 1,054	I have heard too, or maybe I read it, that close inbreeding like that may not produce many pups at all. Lets hope not.I think I remember a brother/sister accident, and it only produced one pup. Maybe that would put him off, if he didnt think he could make that much money off of only one pup. Since that 'seems' to be his only motivation. __________________ Dawn Brogan German Shepherd Yoko von der Burg Austerlitz pedigree information http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/germ...html?id=713938

08-29-2010, 09:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
onyx'girl Crowned Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: SW, MI Posts: 17,605	I know of a brother/sister(solid black) who accidentally hooked up and three pups were born, vet advised to go ahead with the pregnancy. One was a blue and according to the owner~not smart at all. She still has the blue, let family members take the other two(blacks). __________________ Jane~ Kept by Onyx, Kacie and Gideon v Wildhaus aka Karlo

08-29-2010, 06:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,447	It is a quick way to find out what sort of undesirable recessives are in the lines. I wouldn't want to do it because you might see some problem pups.

08-29-2010, 09:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
Doc Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,605	without knowing the genetic make up of the sire and dam and their pedigrees, a brother to sister cross could be a disaster. Close line breeding and in breeding is best left up to breeders that know a great deal of the bloodlines and pedigrees of the mating pair.

08-29-2010, 09:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,447	It can produce pups sometimes.

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