Is my dog really German Bred?

Grims · 03-25-2009, 10:41 AM

My dog is suppose to be from German show lines, but I have noticed he has a sloped back...and from what I have read only american line dogs are suppose to have that.

**Chris Wild** · 03-25-2009, 10:45 AM

Only way to know for sure is to look at his pedigree. If you can post his pedigree, or at least the names of his parents so we can try to look up his pedigree, lots of folks here can tell you what his lines are.

As for a "sloped back", while it is most common in American lines because they typically breed specifically for it, and is rather uncommon in the other lines because they don't, it can occur in any line. Also, "sloped back" can mean different things to different people, so if you could post a couple pictures of him taken from the side with him standing square or in a stack, that would be helpful to determine what you mean when you say "sloped back".

Grims · 03-25-2009, 10:52 AM

The male is
V Beiko vom Gleisenauer-Schloß

and all I know is part of his moms name "Kinder"

Grims · 03-25-2009, 10:55 AM

The slope looks just like his dads

**Chris Wild** · 03-25-2009, 11:04 AM

His sire is German show lines.

Yes, while not as extreme as the rear angulation often found in American lines, that sort of angulation in the rear is becoming increasingly common in the German show lines, as is the roached (arched behind the wither) topline.

Grims · 03-25-2009, 11:06 AM

What are your impressions of the Sire, is he as great as I was led to believe?

**Chris Wild** · 03-25-2009, 11:09 AM

As a working line person, I'm not a student of German show lines, so I can't really comment on his pedigree or how he measures up structurally to what the German show line folks want to see. There are some German show line afficionados on the board, so hopefully they'll chime in and can answer that question better.

Liesje · 03-25-2009, 11:34 AM

What do you mean by "slope"? The type will depend on the lines, not just how the dog appears in a single photo. You can get west German show dogs that look like working dogs or American line dogs and vice versa. Also it really depends on how the dog is stacked. I have a German show line and I can stack him to have a straight sloping back or a more curved/roached back.

The dog you posted and the name you gave is a west German show line dog(s).

Grims · 03-25-2009, 11:49 AM

The Dams full name is Kinder Vom Lebenshunger

**Chris Wild** · 03-25-2009, 11:55 AM

She's also German show lines.

03-25-2009, 10:41 AM	#1 (permalink)
Grims Master Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 693	Is my dog really German Bred? My dog is suppose to be from German show lines, but I have noticed he has a sloped back...and from what I have read only american line dogs are suppose to have that. __________________ Axel DOB 7-24-08

03-25-2009, 10:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	Re: Is my dog really German Bred? Only way to know for sure is to look at his pedigree. If you can post his pedigree, or at least the names of his parents so we can try to look up his pedigree, lots of folks here can tell you what his lines are. As for a "sloped back", while it is most common in American lines because they typically breed specifically for it, and is rather uncommon in the other lines because they don't, it can occur in any line. Also, "sloped back" can mean different things to different people, so if you could post a couple pictures of him taken from the side with him standing square or in a stack, that would be helpful to determine what you mean when you say "sloped back". __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

03-25-2009, 10:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
Grims Master Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 693	Re: Is my dog really German Bred? The male is V Beiko vom Gleisenauer-Schloß and all I know is part of his moms name "Kinder" __________________ Axel DOB 7-24-08

03-25-2009, 10:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
Grims Master Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 693	Re: Is my dog really German Bred? The slope looks just like his dads __________________ Axel DOB 7-24-08

03-25-2009, 11:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	Re: Is my dog really German Bred? His sire is German show lines. Yes, while not as extreme as the rear angulation often found in American lines, that sort of angulation in the rear is becoming increasingly common in the German show lines, as is the roached (arched behind the wither) topline. __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

03-25-2009, 11:06 AM	#6 (permalink)
Grims Master Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 693	Re: Is my dog really German Bred? What are your impressions of the Sire, is he as great as I was led to believe? __________________ Axel DOB 7-24-08

03-25-2009, 11:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	Re: Is my dog really German Bred? As a working line person, I'm not a student of German show lines, so I can't really comment on his pedigree or how he measures up structurally to what the German show line folks want to see. There are some German show line afficionados on the board, so hopefully they'll chime in and can answer that question better. __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

03-25-2009, 11:34 AM	#8 (permalink)
Liesje Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 12,962	Re: Is my dog really German Bred? What do you mean by "slope"? The type will depend on the lines, not just how the dog appears in a single photo. You can get west German show dogs that look like working dogs or American line dogs and vice versa. Also it really depends on how the dog is stacked. I have a German show line and I can stack him to have a straight sloping back or a more curved/roached back. The dog you posted and the name you gave is a west German show line dog(s). __________________ UCH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop FO OB1 CL1R CL1F RA TT HIT TDI CGC VPC's Coca-Cola HIT CGC SG UCH Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 AD T1 FO PA CL1R UNJ UCA HIT TT CGC OFA SG Pantalaimon vom Geistwasser BH AD HIT CGC

03-25-2009, 11:49 AM	#9 (permalink)
Grims Master Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 693	Re: Is my dog really German Bred? The Dams full name is Kinder Vom Lebenshunger __________________ Axel DOB 7-24-08

03-25-2009, 11:55 AM	#10 (permalink)
Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	Re: Is my dog really German Bred? She's also German show lines. __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

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