I don't know. It doesn't seem very likely that two traditional sables would produce a dog with such unusual markings.
Females in heat can get impregnated by more than one male. Another male may have gotten to the mom and produced both pure-bred GSDs and mixed GSDs in the same litter.
Well, I didn't say the mom was sable also, she was more silver and white I remember, if I can find a picture I will post it. Could it have been a white GSD like a silver tip or something?
Okay, if mom is silver and white, the dog's colour is a possibility. The Hobo dogs had this colouration, and they were purebred. Some people insist they weren't but I know someone who was close with their trainer, and has proof they were. Also, take a look at the second picture...the colour may be unusual, but it's not new!
that is just the pastern turned in as the arm goes under the body
totally normal
the Hobo dogs -- 1978 or so our training club was approached for "free" stud service with London or some such other stand-in -- and only the pups that had the signature colours would be taken.
raised , checked for potential as replacements to keep the franchise running and the ones that didn't make it were given as k9's to Viet Nam war effort -
I went to every presentation that this group of dogs performed at - even brought along
Bellino (carissima) and Mitzi Frohle (first sch h training group) .
I could spot the "cues" that initiated a pattern response.
I even was an observer to filming session for the Littlest Hobo tv shows.
I have all 3 (I believe that is correct) books that were put out by Eisenmann .
In the beginning he was adamant that they were pure GSD. Sables were not the norm for the day .
Later on there were interviews or articles in print were the dogs were czech wolf dogs.
so clear as mud
but this colour pattern was documented in several old magazines, including Dog World magazines going back to the early 30's . I bought two or three boxes of old magazines which were like newspaper tabloids .
Eventually had to get rid of most of them because of mold problems.
Another thing those magazines revealed was the very beginnings of dog biscuits "kibble"
Checker Board, Ralston Purina etc
that is just the pastern turned in as the arm goes under the body
totally normal
the Hobo dogs -- 1978 or so our training club was approached for "free" stud service with London or some such other stand-in -- and only the pups that had the signature colours would be taken.
raised , checked for potential as replacements to keep the franchise running and the ones that didn't make it were given as k9's to Viet Nam war effort -
I went to every presentation that this group of dogs performed at - even brought along
Bellino (carissima) and Mitzi Frohle (first sch h training group) .
I could spot the "cues" that initiated a pattern response.
I even was an observer to filming session for the Littlest Hobo tv shows.
I have all 3 (I believe that is correct) books that were put out by Eisenmann .
In the beginning he was adamant that they were pure GSD. Sables were not the norm for the day .
Later on there were interviews or articles in print were the dogs were czech wolf dogs.
so clear as mud
but this colour pattern was documented in several old magazines, including Dog World magazines going back to the early 30's . I bought two or three boxes of old magazines which were like newspaper tabloids .
Eventually had to get rid of most of them because of mold problems.
Another thing those magazines revealed was the very beginnings of dog biscuits "kibble"
Checker Board, Ralston Purina etc
Since sable is dominant, this male has not sired your dog. Do the neighbors have a Husky that jumped the fence? Just a thought. Her head is more Husky than GSD. She is pretty, no question about it but doesn't look purebred. Of course, if you do decide to breed her an AKC papered male, you can fool inexperienced people who go for a back yard bred GSD pup by you, thinking they get a purebred when you breed her to a purebred male. If he has papers, yes the pups will get papered since now both dogs have papers. The AKC doesn't care or check this out. Any person who allows their male to breed your dog is not ethical and you will only add to the backyard-bred-GSD -problem.
Your call.
Since sable is dominant, this male has not sired your dog. Do the neighbors have a Husky that jumped the fence? Just a thought. Her head is more Husky than GSD. She is pretty, no question about it but doesn't look purebred. Of course, if you do decide to breed her an AKC papered male, you can fool inexperienced people who go for a back yard bred GSD pup by you, thinking they get a purebred when you breed her to a purebred male. If he has papers, yes the pups will get papered since now both dogs have papers. The AKC doesn't care or check this out. Any person who allows their male to breed your dog is not ethical and you will only add to the backyard-bred-GSD -problem.
Your call.
The way it works is each dog has 2 genes for color, and they pass one of the genes to each of their offspring. The dog gets a gene for color from the sire and from the dam.
A sable dog might have a black and tan gene, and a sable gene. Sable is dominant so that is the color of the dog. But he can still pass on his black and tan gene. The pups he passes sable onto will be sable. The dog he passes whatever other gene he has (if not sable also) could be that color or whatever gene the dam provided.
If the dog was say, Sable and black, and passed on the black gene, the pup would take on whatever color gene the dam passed on, as black is recessive to all others. But the pup would still carry the black gene, and possibly, if the pup was bred to a black dog (both genes have to be black), then the litter could contain a black puppy.
That's very interesting, Carmen! Would have loved to have been there to see that!
The person who told me about the parentage of London did not mention later dogs. I also know SHE had an interest in Czech wolf dogs..hmm, hmm, hmm....
I know he did breed his dogs to some local female GSDs while filming in Ontario, though. It could be as the temperaments and structure of the American SL dogs became more and more angulated in the 80's and 90's, he began looking to other breeds to find the structure he wanted.
He's gone now, and so are his dogs, so we'll never know.
Is there anyway to check through DNA or something? To verify the sire. Cuz I doubt there was another male because the breeder had the male as a stud I think and the mom was someone else's I think.
When we first got her I also thought Czech wolfdog.
Personally, I would have a DNA test done, especially if I paid money for the puppy. The pup is very cute, and she'll probably be a great pet, but I'd want to know for sure. The odds of that particular color being carried down through so many generations is very small. It could happen, but the odds aren't in its favor. AKC paperwork is only that, a piece of paper. They don't know who bred who and can only trust the person who sent it in witnessed all the breedings and is 'swearing' that only one dog bred the bitch and it is the dog whose name is on the paperwork. AKC has no way of knowing if it is the truth.
If she is only to be a pet, then enjoy her unique coloring and when people question you tell them to look up The Littlest Hobo. If you plan or even are thinking about breeding her, do a DNA test.
You would do the DNA test through the AKC. It would mean swabbing the inside of your bitch's cheek with a little instrument sent to you in the DNA Kit. Then you would send it off to the AKC. I am not sure what the procedure is to determine whether the dog listed sired your pup or not. Again, I think the AKC has a form for that, as they hold the DNA.
You will know if the sire is DNA'd by checking your pedigree. It will tell you the DNA number of the sire.
Personally, I would have a DNA test done, especially if I paid money for the puppy. The pup is very cute, and she'll probably be a great pet, but I'd want to know for sure. The odds of that particular color being carried down through so many generations is very small. It could happen, but the odds aren't in its favor. AKC paperwork is only that, a piece of paper. They don't know who bred who and can only trust the person who sent it in witnessed all the breedings and is 'swearing' that only one dog bred the bitch and it is the dog whose name is on the paperwork. AKC has no way of knowing if it is the truth.
If she is only to be a pet, then enjoy her unique coloring and when people question you tell them to look up The Littlest Hobo. If you plan or even are thinking about breeding her, do a DNA test.
You would do the DNA test through the AKC. It would mean swabbing the inside of your bitch's cheek with a little instrument sent to you in the DNA Kit. Then you would send it off to the AKC. I am not sure what the procedure is to determine whether the dog listed sired your pup or not. Again, I think the AKC has a form for that, as they hold the DNA.
You will know if the sire is DNA'd by checking your pedigree. It will tell you the DNA number of the sire.
Doesn't it require the breeder's cooperation to do a full DNA test of both parents? I would if it's important. I'm curious why the OP wasn't suspicious before taking the dog home?
I don't know if I want to post the whole pedigree but it's pretty safe to post the 1st and 2nd gen out of the 4-gen right? I can say I see that on the mom's side there are 2 white coats and a black and silver coat, so that's obviously where the white and silver came from, from the mother's side like I thought.
I've just watched the first episode of The Littlest Hobo and it had me almost tearing up a bit I loved it.
AKC has inspectors. The inspectors would verify DNA by going to owners house, dog must have chip, take DNA and test. Duel sired litters all must be DNA tested. Sires, dam and pups. So with the sire DNA on file, dam would need to be done and also your pup. You will get results back in about 8 weeks. You can look up a color chart to see probabilities for breedings.
I think all you need is the DNA of your pup to send in to verify that the sire actually was the dog listed, as his DNA is on file.
I think you need to pull back and read what we are writing to you. I am just saying that you want to verify the sire (DNA), if you want to breed this bitch, because it would give you peace of mind. The dog does not look like a purebred. I agree with whoever said the Littlest Hobo was a Czech wolf-dog.
She is a gorgeous puppy and you should enjoy her and love her, take her through all sorts of training. You should not breed her. I say this because when you purchased her, you did not purchase as a breeding prospect, and if you did, then you weren't ready/prepared to select a dog as a breeding prospect. You need to do a lot of homework first. You need to know what to look for, what questions to ask before you can select a puppy as a breeding prospect. You aren't there yet. But down the line, you might be. You can learn a lot from that puppy you have. You also need some hands-on people that will help you, because, while there are books and you should read them, this is not something you can learn fully from books.
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