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Old 08-20-2014, 10:08 AM   #1 (permalink)
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My friend is considering putting together this breeding. A final decision has not been made. Ultimately it is her decision. She just purchased the female recently and is trying to get to know her a little better before she decides who to breed her too. However this combo has been discussed;

Line-breeding for the progency of Arthos v.h. Houten Klumpke and Gucci vom Lohmanns Heide

Here is video of the male. It is kind of long but I personally enjoyed watching it. Especially towards around the 15.46 mark when he gets into some hidden sleeve bite work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzOpG-yt6L8

Here is video of the female;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPttYdm4PdY

This post is mostly for fun because this combo may never happen. I just wanted to share it and maybe get some feed back.
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Old 08-21-2014, 08:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I like the dam's pedigree better than the sire. This breeder isn't trying to produce drive are they? this looks like very good Mali, no I mean sport breeding with a couple dogs that are known for insane intensity and edge. Not my cup of tea, but could produce some nice sport or LE dogs.
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I only watched a short piece of the video-but I like the female better-the male doesn't take my breath away-the female could do better-know its working lines-but the male just wasn't attractive
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The male is local and the final decision has not been made. The video of the male gets better towards the end. She is looking to produce competitive IPO prospects but does not want to create screamers.
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The male is local and the final decision has not been made. The video of the male gets better towards the end. She is looking to produce competitive IPO prospects but does not want to create screamers.
I say she has an EXCEPTIONAL chance to create "screamers"!!!! I had a litter out of Zender and 2 board members here had pups from that litter....dam was my Ufo daughter....don't get me wrong - we all LOVED the Zender-Basha pups, and the male was AWESOME - but he was a screamer, and Zender was known for it. He had Zenders speed and hitting strength on the long bite too. Good looking dog, would have done V if koered previously and never went back to a conformation show.

Also another line there I have real mixed feelings about....I loved Pike...but not the motherline there....have known several of her progeny and MANY grand progeny....yep - lots of screaming there too....

not to mention more linebreeding on the bottom leading to back massing.....

Yep - like Cliff says - probably going to produce extremely driven, hard to settle, mali like dogs.....might be a few less driven ones that would be best training prospects - but what do you do with the manic ones?

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I say she has an EXCEPTIONAL chance to create "screamers"!!!! I had a litter out of Zender and 2 board members here had pups from that litter....dam was my Ufo daughter....don't get me wrong - we all LOVED the Zender-Basha pups, and the male was AWESOME - but he was a screamer, and Zender was known for it.

Also another line there I have real mixed feelings about....I loved Pike...but not the motherline there....have known several of her progeny and MANY grand progeny....yep - lots of screaming there too....

not to mention more linebreeding on the bottom leading to back massing.....

Yep - like Cliff says - probably going to produce extremely driven, hard to settle, mali like dogs.....might be a few less driven ones that would be best training prospects - but what do you do with the manic ones?

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Lee, thanks for the in sight! I will pass it along. We are just bouncing around different males and this male is a local dog that she likes a lot and has used recently on one of her all Czech females. So far the pups are turning out very nice. We were just talking about how he might cross on this new female.
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I'd say the czech lines would be a better cross out to dampen that a bit.....the WG gave more back massing and the screaming is common in the dog that is backmassed upon....

I sort of like the male myself! If placed with the right people who know how to train and cap, I love some of other stuff that came in that Zender litter

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I agree with Lee 100%!
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I have nothing to offer the OP on the question. It's an interesting thread though.

I don't want to thread jack, but may I ask what "back massing" may be? I can kind of guess what a screamer is but couldn't find anything on back massing.

I'd like to learn more about pedigrees even though it is highly likely I will never breed a dog.
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Back massing is basically line breeding past 5 generations.....both sides here have line breeding, and besides the line breeding, there are other sources of the same male where it is back past 5, so at least 3 times on bottom, and a couple on top....either 5 or 6 times, also has another dog at least 3 times....both dogs very prepotent dogs...

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