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Old 05-04-2014, 01:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default DDR lines for family companion or not??

Hello,
New member who has spent many hours poring through the archives and reading up on threads like "genetic obedience" & "iceberg breders" etc.

I intend to get a GSD later this year and am trying to do my homework so I can select the right breeder. But I am only looking for a family companion and possibly do some obedience, so no schutzhund or other sport work.

And I'm a novice owner (and have kids) so I'm not interested in a drivey or dominant dog, just a calm, stable, moderate dog. With a BIG off switch.

However, I am VERY confused.

On threads like the "Genetic Obedience" one, the old DDR herding lines are praised for what they bring to the table in terms of biddability and obedience. They are also considered affectionate, handler soft & pack oriented. Many threads said these are what you want for a good companion as they are stable even dogs. So thats good!

Though I was surprised by this as I though those dogs were used for border protection as they were bred to be more aggressive in general.

But then I have come across some posts where experienced posters on the forum say DDR dogs are not for novice handlers, that they are too much:
Late Bloomer?

So all of a sudden I find myself back at square one, are DDR dogs good for novices or not?
Or do I go for WGSL, but then where do I find old herding lines in WGSL? (plus I hate the roach back).

Also where do I find breeders who are breeding non-extreme drive DDR dogs?

I fear that even a lower drive dog in some of these sport breedings may be too much for me. And whilst there are lots of breeders for schutzhund I am not seeing any breeding for "family companion" (in fact I fear this is a dirty word and by saying this I may be scorned & get the weakest pup in the litter).

After spending literally hours a day going through the archives I find myself more confused than ever wondering what lines and which breeders?

Is it supposed to be so difficult? I'm almost ready to throw in the towel!
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Old 05-04-2014, 01:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Take a deep breath!

Find quality breeders and ask them to help you pick a puppy.

Pups may differ in the same litter, but a hands on breeder will know.. Also good breeders are often very helpful in finding a pup if they don't or won't have what you're looking for.

Just know that any pup will tax you while young. These well behaved dogs weren't born that way. Just like each of your children needs training, so will a puppy.

might help forum if you post where you live

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A gsd of any line can be a great pet. Just tell a good reputable breeder that you just want a pet and nothing more. Dr, Czech, working line, etc doesn't automatically mean high energy or high drive.

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Its all in the breeding and the breeder. A good breeder will know what litter will most likely produce the type of puppy you are looking for and will give a dog that is right for you. They will not sell you the dog that they have if it is not a right fit...that doesn't help anyone. I know of a breeder that allowed someone to pick their puppy, and the pups were 3 weeks old. Their personalities are not developed at that point and you can't tell which is going to be the right dog for the buyer.

I would say reach out to the top 5 breeders on your list and pick their brains. Go with the one that you feel most comfortable with AND the one that will give you service after the sale. Being a "novice" as you put it, you will require that.

We have all been there, I researched for over 18 months, the waited for my pup another 9 months. Well worth it!

Good luck.

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where do I find old herding lines in WGSL? (plus I hate the roach back).
I fear that even a lower drive dog in some of these sport breedings may be too much for me. And whilst there are lots of breeders for schutzhund I am not seeing any breeding for "family companion" (in fact I fear this is a dirty word and by saying this I may be scorned & get the weakest pup in the litter).
The WGSL's aren't all roach backed. Kirschental lines would be one to check out.

The DDR lines's aren't what I'd consider 'sport' dogs.
And as posted above, you can get a great companion dog from any line, choosing the right breeder is key in that, however.
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"On threads like the "Genetic Obedience" one, the old DDR herding lines are praised for what they bring to the table in terms of biddability and obedience. They are also considered affectionate, handler soft & pack oriented. Many threads said these are what you want for a good companion as they are stable even dogs. So thats good!"

Being DDR does not automatically fit them into this category.
This is still a trait that has to be understood, then deliberately chosen for .
Even so , having the trait does not mean that the dog should be raised in a permissive manner, without parameters . They are not born trained .
And, surprise , surprise many of the "ddr" dogs that are circulating now are not the old style , in fact it is a shame that many are bred for superficial qualities -- the colour , the look, the head , the bone , the black sable.
You don't need a dog from any particular segment of GSD dogdom.
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My Jake is half DDR (Mother) and Father from W Germany. Couldn't have asked for a better balanced Dog.
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Dax is 50/50 DDR/Czech and he's pretty good as a companion. Still needs time to burn some energy and whatnot but nothing that's extreme.
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I agree finding a breeder who can match you to your 'wants' and 'don't wants' is much more important than the 'lines'.

I have always had DDR dogs in one form or another..I find them to be late maturers especially the males , biddable, and easy trainers..but that is "my" dogs..certainly not a map for all..

Right now I have a slovak/czech/ddr female who just turned 6,,got her 'off switch' as she matured, easy for "me" to live with, maybe not someone else or one who's never had a gsd...Not extreme, but does require alot of attention..
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Dax is 50/50 DDR/Czech and he's pretty good as a companion. Still needs time to burn some energy and whatnot but nothing that's extreme.

sorry too late to edit. But definitely finding a breeder you're comfortable with that's responsible in their breeding practices is more important because they'll be able to pick the puppy that's best for your needs and desires as others have mentioned.
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