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ChouMaKen 04-29-2014 01:18 PM

Thoughts on this potential puppy
 
I am thinking of adding a GSD puppy to our family in the next 6 months and, due to where I live, pedigree dogs are really rare and expensive

One of my options is an unborn puppy of these 2 dogs

Female Fadia du Pays des Cedres

Male SG13 JKLR BSZS 2011 Larus vom Schollweiher

I would really appreciate your opinion on that potential puppy, not looking for anything more than a good family dog with good manners/temperament (I have kids) / Obedience / loose leash walking etc...

I appreciate your opinions and thoughts

Thanks

Chris Wild 04-29-2014 01:47 PM

These are popular German show lines. I don't see any reason why this breeding shouldn't produce a good family dog. Are the dogs close enough to you that you could go visit the breeder and meet dogs in person? If so, that would be your best course of action. Go spend some time with the dogs in person, see how they are around strangers and children and if they seem to have stable temperaments and you like their personalities than this could be a good litter for you.

ChouMaKen 04-29-2014 03:30 PM

Thank you so much for your input,
as I told you these dogs are casi-existent here, I will literally import the dog

I have no idea how to read a pedigree correctly and thus I am sharing it here for input of experience members like yourself

thanks again

Chris Wild 04-29-2014 04:02 PM

I was hoping this was a breeding that was being done in your country. Importing sight-unseen may be a different story. I don't know show lines well so I can't comment on the individual pedigrees. Hopefully someone here can. I would definitely do a LOT of research into the individual dogs and the breeder if you're looking to import and don't have direct connections to the dogs and breeder who can vouch for them. Unfortunately it is not uncommon for the bad pups in a litter to be the ones who are offloaded to other countries so there is a high risk of that if this isn't a very ethical breeder or you don't have a mutual friend or acquaintance who can help ensure that you get a good one.

SuperG 04-29-2014 04:30 PM

The odds of getting a good imported pup from quality lines is higher than getting a good pup from an average or below local breeder. It seems you are somewhat limited in the region you live so going to a quality source only makes sense.

Do your homework and talk to the potential breeders abroad....investigate them the best you can and don't necessarily represent yourself as a " All I want is a good family dog buyer "....

Testimonials from a potential seller might help...I'd contact them as well. If they claim they are putting out quality dogs and have but only a few references suggesting so, I'd wonder why..

Take your time and do your research....just like you are by asking the questions on this forum...it's just one small resource available.

SuperG

ChouMaKen 04-29-2014 04:31 PM

Thank you again for your guidance & patience,

I could buy one from here but he won't have any pedigree since our country has no license to issue pedigrees.

Out of curiosity when you say "bad puppies" we are talking about temperament issues or less than perfect measurements etc...

SuperG 04-29-2014 04:35 PM

Ohhhh.... by the way....the sire of Fadia du Pays des Cedres is a world class GSD...Nino Von Tronje is/was one of the top GSDs in the world...

SuperG

Chris Wild 04-29-2014 04:38 PM

By "bad puppies" I mean that often they will send the ones with questionable nerve and temperament or questionable health (small, sickly). Now certainly this isn't the case with all breeders, but I've heard of more than a few situations of it happening when someone imported from another country without having a relationship to the breeder, or connection to someone who does, beforehand.

Another thing you may consider is flying to Germany, or whichever country the breeder is in, to meet the dogs and puppy and breeder in person before bringing the puppy home. That might not be financially feasible, but it's worth looking into. Shipping from Europe is very expensive these days, at least here to the US, so it wouldn't hurt to compare the prices for shipping to the prices for you to fly there and bring the puppy back as baggage.

Chris Wild 04-29-2014 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperG (Post 5448394)
Ohhhh.... by the way....the sire of Fadia du Pays des Cedres is a world class GSD...Nino Von Tronje is/was one of the top GSDs in the world...

SuperG

What is "world class" or "one of the top in the world" depends on what criteria one is using. Success at the Sieger show, a conformation championship, does not necessarily equate to a sound family dog who will be good with kids.

SuperG 04-29-2014 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Wild (Post 5448426)
What is "world class" or "one of the top in the world" depends on what criteria one is using. Success at the Sieger show, a conformation championship, does not necessarily equate to a sound family dog who will be good with kids.

First...there is no "competition" or passionate pursuit by the vast majority of breeders to produce " a sound family dog who will be good with kids....that's not what sells German shepherds...or at least not on the top of the list. It's always mentioned as a "plus" on breeder's websites...but more than likely the "headlines" for their product is more sensational....you know littered with accolades like...VA2...SCHH3...fast a normal hips...Kkl1...home protection..size...color..etc. To the breeders who pursuit the world class shepherd which is " a sound family dog who will be good with kids." I apologize for my earlier comment suggesting the contrary.

So, here's my opinion....a "world class" dog such as Nino, most likely is comprised of genetics, capabilities and capacities which, when measured against it's peers...excels and dominates. So, does this dog offer a well rounded base to start from on so many of the factors which makes for a better potential of finding " a sound family dog who will be good with kids.".......it's exactly what I would bank on.


SuperG


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