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Old 02-04-2014, 11:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I understand that it's very common to see German working lines with dark sable coats, including my male, but has anyone seen a dark sable coat on an American show line/pet line GSD? Whenever I see one with this coat, I immediately assume that the dog is from German lines. Maybe I assumed wrong?
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Interesting
Jaxx *may* be show lines, but I don't think so (we don't know) But if he is a show line, he has a REALLY dark sable coat. I'm sure some others will chime in with some info because I would like to know about this also.


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Old 02-05-2014, 12:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I think it's becoming more and more possible that a Sable on the street is a mix of show line, dark Sable is becoming increasingly popular (I've seen several around me lately), a lot of byb's are throwing a Sable into their lines to cater to the shift in coat preference. Just what I've been noticing. My previous us GSD came from a byb that had several "dark sables" that were American lines, that she bred to American lines and German show lines. It was one of her big selling points.
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Am pet lines are usually a mixed up bag of lines so getting a dark sable is very possible, but hard to trace pedigree because many who breed the pet lines don't have papers or pedigrees for the dogs they breed. Am show lines on the other hand~I doubt you'll see any dark sables if they are all Am showline.
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Old 02-05-2014, 02:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Am show lines seem to be a lighter, patterned reddish sable usually. I don't think I've ever seen a really dark Am show line sable in person.
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i've never seen a show line sable as far as i'm aware
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Old 02-05-2014, 03:02 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I've seen one show line sable. Very light sable. Kind of like the redish/tan patterned sable color that lies described. Had the typical ASL conformation though.
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If you see an ASL sable its probably a patterned one and won't be that dark. The reason is that the black/tan is preferred and therefore is bred for. It's very very difficult to get the sable coat out of your breeding program once you allow it in, and since its much more difficult to get a championship on a sable (even with proper conformation) many breeders don't use them in their programs.

The darker the dog, the easier it is to see their faults, which is why you don't see that many blacks as well.

As for pet lines...you probably see plenty just don't know it. Dark sables are becoming popular and are advertised as working lines. Many people get them from breeders that don't work them and don't prove them, but still call them working lines, so those people keep calling them working lines, even though they might've been mixed with something else.
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Old 02-05-2014, 03:20 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I have seen dark sable American show line dogs. "American" breeders didn't have the disdain for sables that the WGSL breeders did . One I can remember goes back to the early 80's , a Sundance Kid son , Rohan's Reaction . I owned one - a Sanhedrin bred female "Rosy" (who looked like a bi colour red sable )
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seriously --- having a library of The Canadian Shepherd and German Shepherd dog reviews that go back to the early 70 's and Red Books and Maturity books there are LOTS of sables. They won ! 1981 Maturity Victor -- Wencinschells Eros -- sable
CH INT/US Frack von der Burg Arkenstede - dark sable ancestor on Eros
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