TIGHT Inbreeding - German Shepherd Dog Forums
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 57 (permalink) Old 12-28-2013, 10:11 PM Thread Starter
Elite Member
 
Blitzkrieg1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: KW Ontario
Posts: 1,877
TIGHT Inbreeding

What are your experiences with WL dogs inbred tight. Goal oriented not accidental, on good dogs.
Im talking brother/sister, parent/progeny, grandparent/grandprogeny, dogs appearing several times close up etc.

This seems to be more common with Mal/Dutchy folks, hunting dogs and game bred dogs.

From what I hear the benifits (if it works out well) are extremely prepotent typey dogs that pass on their genetics well and you will be more likely to run into the potential pit falls in your bloodline.

The downsides are smaller litters, and bad recessives popping up both temperment and health. Obviously one would assume you would cull hard.

So any experiences good bad with such a work oriented breeding? Seems like going tight with appropriate outcrosses from time to time would increase the likelyhood of the pups you want expressing the traits you want..or thats the idea anyways.

Bastian the Beast


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Blitzkrieg1 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 57 (permalink) Old 12-31-2013, 01:36 AM
Crowned Member
 
cliffson1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,543
I don't think it is good idea today with most West dogs, but some years ago you could do it with the right compliments. Jmo
cliffson1 is offline  
post #3 of 57 (permalink) Old 01-01-2014, 07:37 PM Thread Starter
Elite Member
 
Blitzkrieg1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: KW Ontario
Posts: 1,877
What makes it more possible with mals and dutchies?

Bastian the Beast


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Blitzkrieg1 is offline  
post #4 of 57 (permalink) Old 01-09-2014, 07:51 AM
Crowned Member
 
cliffson1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 4,543
Just wrote a long piece on this subject on another venue, don't want to bore people on this forum, but basically it goes back to the beginnings of these breeds. In summary, the German Shepherd needs to be balanced for continuity of keeping it strong,( compensation breeding), Mals/Dutchies naturally have stronger singular traits that when amplified still allow the dog to be functional to its purpose. Sorry about lateness of response, I only check this forum about once a week.
cliffson1 is offline  
post #5 of 57 (permalink) Old 01-09-2014, 08:22 AM
Crowned Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: ontario -
Posts: 11,069
GSD are like a complex stew , many ingredients without one dominant trait.

Carmen

**********


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
carmspack is online now  
post #6 of 57 (permalink) Old 01-09-2014, 11:03 AM
Doc
Knighted Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 2,068
Tight inbreeding?? Inbreeding is always tight breeding.
Doc is offline  
post #7 of 57 (permalink) Old 02-01-2014, 03:40 AM
New Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 21
I'd love to be pointed to the longer piece you did on this topic
Wanderer is offline  
post #8 of 57 (permalink) Old 02-01-2014, 11:08 AM
Crowned Member
 
GatorDog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 4,501
My boyfriends dog is linebred 2-3 on Ellute, which I consider a relatively tight linebreeding. He is an incredible dog, balanced in the house with any other dogs/people and environmentally stable everywhere else. He has incredible drive in all 3 phases of IPO. Super, super stable dog. Just had xrays done and hips and elbows looks great. But that's my only experience with a breeding of this type.

Sent from Petguide.com Free App
GatorDog is offline  
post #9 of 57 (permalink) Old 02-01-2014, 03:21 PM Thread Starter
Elite Member
 
Blitzkrieg1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: KW Ontario
Posts: 1,877
Quote:
Originally Posted by cliffson1 View Post
Just wrote a long piece on this subject on another venue, don't want to bore people on this forum, but basically it goes back to the beginnings of these breeds. In summary, the German Shepherd needs to be balanced for continuity of keeping it strong,( compensation breeding), Mals/Dutchies naturally have stronger singular traits that when amplified still allow the dog to be functional to its purpose. Sorry about lateness of response, I only check this forum about once a week.

Id love a link.

The Ellute breeding sounds interesting. Its hard to find nice tight breedings like that. Was there a lot of variation in the litter?

So correct me if Im wrong, you are saying that mals/dutchys tend to express things like drive and nerve more strongly then GSDs? So GSD breedings tend to be more about offsetting weakness instead of emphasising and concentrating strengths?

Would the issue be a lack of worthy individuals to go tight on? Or to many negative recessives within the pool of potentially worthy individuals?

Bastian the Beast


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Blitzkrieg1 is offline  
post #10 of 57 (permalink) Old 02-28-2014, 04:49 PM
New Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 15
Very interesting question that I've always though about myself, Blitzkrieg1. I've never seen a half brother half sister breeding (2-2)with the GSD and every time I've even seen it mentioned, I've seen the way people cringe. I've always wondered about it, because in the other breeds that you mentioned (Mals/Dutchies, hounds, sporting dogs, game bred dogs,hunting terriers,etc.), it's quite common. Showing a GSD pedigree to a fancier from one of the other working breeds and mentioning a dog bred 5-4 on a famous GSD,(say Mink) would be almost laughable . One thing I've learned is when looking at a GSD pedigree, you REALLY have to know WHERE those traits are coming from. Cliffson, I do understand a lot better now that you have mentioned the balance of the breed and being able to maintain it. I had always thought of other reasons.
coachcj is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the German Shepherd Dog Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome