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Old 12-14-2013, 07:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Breeders competing at high levels

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The thread about Drago got me thinking about breeders and how often they compete with dogs they have bred at the highest levels. I know Gary H has competed and stood at stud two if the more recent popular stud. But he did not breed them. Which is common, no knock on Gary or his program.

But I am wondering if people could name some of the breeders that have bred and competed with their own dogs at high levels? How rare is that? Or am I just not realizing it when it happens. Sometimes I know a handlers name but not their kennel name. But it seems that even the top kennels get their dogs from other kennels. I know the dogs that get to those levels in sport are rare. But should it not be the goal of a breeding program to get there? IDK.

Or, are breeding programs more focused on the bitch line and the strong boys sold to competitors and trainers that have the time to dedicate to competing? How often to bitches get to the highest levels?





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Old 12-14-2013, 08:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Claudia Romard comes to mind.

She competed in the BSP with Bandit when she was very young and I believe is competing with some of her young dogs now.
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Breeders going to the top with bitches is a bit more difficult due to dealing with the heat cycles or litters. I give them credit when they title a bitch to a 3 or multiple 3's even if it is club/regional level. Nationals are harder/the cost and limited time available to trial when you deal with the heat cycles makes it a huge challenge. And most breeders don't have or keep the stud dogs, the bitch line is what they focus on. Stud owners do have it much easier!
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Old 12-14-2013, 08:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Or, are breeding programs more focused on the bitch line and the strong boys sold to competitors and trainers that have the time to dedicate to competing? How often to bitches get to the highest levels?
I think that's definitely a factor, for the reasons Jane pointed out.

I also think a factor is that doing a good job as a breeder requires a lot of knowledge, time, commitment, and a mostly different skillset from being a top-level competitor in any sport. If you are going all-out in one thing, you probably don't have time to get real high in the other.

That said, there are a couple that I can think of in IPO. Ivan B with Ot Vitosha Malinois. Gabor at von Tajgetosz. Jim Hill at von Wyndmoor.

In competition obedience, Denise Fenzi with Sprite Tervuren and a bunch of Golden Retriever people. In agility, Derede Arthur at Haute Volee (also Tervuren) and a bunch of Border Collie people.
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Deb Zappia and Jody Potter. Jody's bitch Nike, from her N litter, is a SchH3 and competed at Nationals in 2012
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Jody Potter and Deb Zappia definitely. Kevin Lanouette was competing with his dog Wum until 2011 I believe, but the dog is retired now. Laurie Coppola and her BHOT dogs. Mario Gomes and his Mal. Chris Gaumont (sp?) and her BHOT dogs. Sure there's more that I forgot lol

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I think this is an excellent question. How is it that people have faith in a breeder and their breeding program when that breeder only trials with imported IPO3 dogs? To me, if a breeder has faith in their own program they would be willing, perhaps eager, to take a puppy from their own program to trial.

My dog Buck was from my breeding program and I trialed him at the national level but he was unfortunately injured before we had the chance to show at more trials. I am currently working one of his daughters, Fancy, whom I hope to be trialing at top levels soon.
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Jody Potter and Deb Zappia definitely. Kevin Lanouette was competing with his dog Wum until 2011 I believe, but the dog is retired now. Laurie Coppola and her BHOT dogs. Mario Gomes and his Mal. Chris Gaumont (sp?) and her BHOT dogs. Sure there's more that I forgot lol

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There are breeders who compete and have good success at National and World levels, these are not your typical forum breeders though.
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