Is there such thing of fake pedigrees

BellaLuna · 03-01-2013, 07:14 PM

Hi I was wondering is there such thing as fake pedigrees b/c they gave me 1 for Bella but I cannot find any info on it like what line she is there's just no information regarding it, maybe I'm not looking it up correctly or something bit I'm starting to wonder. And I was just curious if people could hand out fake pedigrees. I appreciate any and all help.. Thank you!

robk · 03-01-2013, 07:21 PM

Anything is possible.

DunRingill · 03-01-2013, 07:24 PM

What are you looking for? There is a dog in the AKC database with that matches that name and AKC number. But there are no titles or anything so there isn't much to look at.

**Castlemaid** · 03-01-2013, 07:45 PM

Just because there isn't anything on line doesn't mean that the pedigree is fake. Could be just a long-line of pet-dogs that were never entered in any on-line databases, and never competed in any conformation or performance events. The pedigree could still be real, but the dogs have just been obscure unknowns.

BellaLuna · 03-01-2013, 07:50 PM

I was just curious as to what line she was? I just got her a month ago and the guy said she's a good line but I never thought to ask which 1 she was b/c I never knew any better till I came on this forum. And I was just curious she's a bleloved family member And I wanted to know a little bit more about her.. I tried calling the guy but he never answers so I'm left to try to sort it out, Thank you!

DunRingill · 03-01-2013, 09:05 PM

When you see names like Duchess and Duke and Teddy Bear in a pedigree....combined with no titles....that usually indicates BYB.

Does (05-08) by the names of the parents mean they were only a year old when bred?

BellaLuna · 03-01-2013, 09:14 PM

Hmm not sure doesn't specify, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a BYB he told me that she has had 2 liters already, but as I told him I was looking for a loving family dog for me and my kids and had zero interest in breeding her. She's been such a wonderful girl I couldn't be happier with her..

DunRingill · 03-01-2013, 09:16 PM

Well that's what matters the most, that she's a wonderful companion!

BellaLuna · 03-01-2013, 09:27 PM

Yes so true she's wonderful with my kids and that's huge for me, thank you for your help truly appreciated

selzer · 03-01-2013, 09:33 PM

The fact is, you will NEVER see schutzhund titles on an AKC pedigree because Schutzhund is not an AKC sport. So any titles that are not AKC will not be listed. I do not believe PennHip will be listed.

Two of the dogs in the last line are imports, one from Mexico (Mex) and the other form the Czech Republic (CZR) I believe. Any a-stamps, etc will not be listed.

All of these dogs have been registered with the AKC. only one has been OFA'd -- that is hip, elbow, etc, sent into the Orthopedic Foundation For Animals.

I am not going to make guesses, but the lack of titles would be there if they are doing schutzhund, more likely they are pet breeders. Not the end of the world. No idea what lines they are. I mean the Czech dog might be working lines, as it was bred to a sable which is very likely to be working lines. The rest are all Black and Tan or Black and Red dogs which, while it is not for certain, it is highly likely these are show line dogs / American pet lines.

The pedigree only proves the dog is purebred, it does not prove or imply that the dog is of any particular lines or quality. There are no requirements in registering a litter save that the sire and dam are registered or registratable with the AKC and the breeder is not suspended.

03-01-2013, 07:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
BellaLuna Master Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Port Saint Lucie ,FL Posts: 567	Is there such thing of fake pedigrees Hi I was wondering is there such thing as fake pedigrees b/c they gave me 1 for Bella but I cannot find any info on it like what line she is there's just no information regarding it, maybe I'm not looking it up correctly or something bit I'm starting to wonder. And I was just curious if people could hand out fake pedigrees. I appreciate any and all help.. Thank you! __________________ Marlena Bella Luna 9-23-09

03-01-2013, 07:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
DunRingill Master Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Somerset, NJ Posts: 667	What are you looking for? There is a dog in the AKC database with that matches that name and AKC number. But there are no titles or anything so there isn't much to look at. __________________ --Regina and the GSDs: UCDX von Sontausen Holy Grail (The BUNNY!) UD,RA,BN,GN, ASCA CDX RAX High in Trial PAM Monster Mike SchH2,UDX,OM1,TD,RE,VER PAM FGDCh Ianna von Sontausen UDX,BH,TD,RE,PT (4.26.1998 - 2.11.2013)

03-01-2013, 07:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
Castlemaid The Administrator from the Great White North, eh? Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Northern British Columbia Posts: 11,168	Just because there isn't anything on line doesn't mean that the pedigree is fake. Could be just a long-line of pet-dogs that were never entered in any on-line databases, and never competed in any conformation or performance events. The pedigree could still be real, but the dogs have just been obscure unknowns. __________________ Lucia Keeta BH, OB1, TR1, AD Rottweiler/Hairy Dog mix?? Shelter rescue Gryffon Vom Wildhaus BH

03-01-2013, 07:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
BellaLuna Master Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Port Saint Lucie ,FL Posts: 567	I was just curious as to what line she was? I just got her a month ago and the guy said she's a good line but I never thought to ask which 1 she was b/c I never knew any better till I came on this forum. And I was just curious she's a bleloved family member And I wanted to know a little bit more about her.. I tried calling the guy but he never answers so I'm left to try to sort it out, Thank you! __________________ Marlena Bella Luna 9-23-09

03-01-2013, 09:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
DunRingill Master Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Somerset, NJ Posts: 667	When you see names like Duchess and Duke and Teddy Bear in a pedigree....combined with no titles....that usually indicates BYB. Does (05-08) by the names of the parents mean they were only a year old when bred? __________________ --Regina and the GSDs: UCDX von Sontausen Holy Grail (The BUNNY!) UD,RA,BN,GN, ASCA CDX RAX High in Trial PAM Monster Mike SchH2,UDX,OM1,TD,RE,VER PAM FGDCh Ianna von Sontausen UDX,BH,TD,RE,PT (4.26.1998 - 2.11.2013)

03-01-2013, 07:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
robk Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 1,525	Anything is possible.

03-01-2013, 09:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
BellaLuna Master Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Port Saint Lucie ,FL Posts: 567	Hmm not sure doesn't specify, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a BYB he told me that she has had 2 liters already, but as I told him I was looking for a loving family dog for me and my kids and had zero interest in breeding her. She's been such a wonderful girl I couldn't be happier with her.. __________________ Marlena Bella Luna 9-23-09

03-01-2013, 09:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
DunRingill Master Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Somerset, NJ Posts: 667	Well that's what matters the most, that she's a wonderful companion! __________________ --Regina and the GSDs: UCDX von Sontausen Holy Grail (The BUNNY!) UD,RA,BN,GN, ASCA CDX RAX High in Trial PAM Monster Mike SchH2,UDX,OM1,TD,RE,VER PAM FGDCh Ianna von Sontausen UDX,BH,TD,RE,PT (4.26.1998 - 2.11.2013)

03-01-2013, 09:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
BellaLuna Master Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Port Saint Lucie ,FL Posts: 567	Yes so true she's wonderful with my kids and that's huge for me, thank you for your help truly appreciated __________________ Marlena Bella Luna 9-23-09

03-01-2013, 09:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 20,810	The fact is, you will NEVER see schutzhund titles on an AKC pedigree because Schutzhund is not an AKC sport. So any titles that are not AKC will not be listed. I do not believe PennHip will be listed. Two of the dogs in the last line are imports, one from Mexico (Mex) and the other form the Czech Republic (CZR) I believe. Any a-stamps, etc will not be listed. All of these dogs have been registered with the AKC. only one has been OFA'd -- that is hip, elbow, etc, sent into the Orthopedic Foundation For Animals. I am not going to make guesses, but the lack of titles would be there if they are doing schutzhund, more likely they are pet breeders. Not the end of the world. No idea what lines they are. I mean the Czech dog might be working lines, as it was bred to a sable which is very likely to be working lines. The rest are all Black and Tan or Black and Red dogs which, while it is not for certain, it is highly likely these are show line dogs / American pet lines. The pedigree only proves the dog is purebred, it does not prove or imply that the dog is of any particular lines or quality. There are no requirements in registering a litter save that the sire and dam are registered or registratable with the AKC and the breeder is not suspended. __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC & Babs, CD RA CGC HIC (not AKC) Heidi, RA CGC & Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC & Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly CGC & Bear Gretta Hepzibah

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