The dogs vrs. pedigree?

[mycobraracr]

How important is the pedigree behind the dogs vrs. what you actually see in the dogs being bred?

Example: Sire and Dam have fantastic pedigrees. Dam is an amazing dog. Brings in lots of fight good aggression and does everything methodically. Sire is a decent dog. Brings in great power, size and structure but thats about it IMO.

I have seen progeny from this Dam with the Sire's Sire and they are absolutlely amazing! I'm in love with every one I have seen. So I guess the question is. Would the prgeny from this litter be like the progeny from the Dam and Sire's Sire?

I hope this makes sense. I'm really looking forward to hearing what some of you have to say.

[wolfstraum]

without seeing pedigrees or the dogs themselves....

Seeing dogs who are bred similarly to the proposed litter will indeed give you some insight as to what to expect....I have crossed my Xito Maineiche female to an Ufo Guy's Hof son for example...now I have Xito Maineiche granddaughters from another line, that I will take hopefully, to an Ufo son or grandson....and I have Ufo granddaughters who I can take to a Xito grandson....(other dogs in the pedigree are in common as well....further back).....that is part of the process of choosing breeding partners - to see how the (fe)male crossed with relatives of the projected mate...

I hope that is not too confusing!

Looking over your post again....you have to look at the males dam lines to see if something was "lost" there - and if that quality is strong enough in the female to carry through

Lee

[cliffson1]

Depends on the person doing the evaluation and their knowledge base. For some the viewing of the dog is imperative....for others they can repeatedly procure dogs parents/pups unseen and consistently get good dogs.

[lhczth]

IMO when breeding both are important. I have found that I really see the grandparents a lot in the pups so having very good grandparents is important. You know how the female crossed with the male's sire, but you need to know also how the male's mother produced. Any of the male's full siblings around or other pups out of his mother? This might give you a feel for how he will produce.

[mycobraracr]

Originally Posted by lhczth

IMO when breeding both are important. I have found that I really see the grandparents a lot in the pups so having very good grandparents is important. You know how the female crossed with the male's sire, but you need to know also how the male's mother produced. Any of the male's full siblings around or other pups out of his mother? This might give you a feel for how he will produce.

I have not seen any of the males mothers progeny other than him. He is the only one I have seen. He has recently been used for another breeding but nothing old enough to see what he produces.

[BlackthornGSD]

Sire is a decent dog. Brings in great power, size and structure but thats about it IMO.

So.... he has power but not drive? Power but not ???

Are there things about him you *dislike* or just not enough about him that you love?