4 of the original GSD studs were WOLF CROSSES? Do our dogs have wolf in them? - Page 2 - German Shepherd Dog Forums
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If you go back far enough, didn't all dogs come from wolves? lol

http://www.amazon.com/How-Dog-Became-Wolves-Friends/dp/1590207009

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Yes, this is true.

If you can look up the February 2012 National Geographic, there is a graph analyzing the DNA of 85 breeds. They are broken down into 4 groups:
Wolflike
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The GSD has some of the least wolflike DNA. The are considered, Mastiff-like. Their DNA is similar to the French Bulldog (maybe that's why I love this breed 2nd to GSD's!),
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I read that the Czech Republic military tried to introduce this into their breeding program. If I remember correctly, they weren't happy with the results, and it was a short lived experiment.

Well, thank goodness for that!
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How the Dog Became the Dog: From Wolves to Our Best Friends by Mark Derr is an excellent book. Not so much about German Shepherds but about the origin of the dog.
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I read that the Czech Republic military tried to introduce this into their breeding program. If I remember correctly, they weren't happy with the results, and it was a short lived experiment.
Czechoslovakian wolfdog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The breed still exists today. In Slovakia and Czech republic they commonly call both this breed and GSDs vlčák or vlčiak which stands for wolfdog, thus creating some confusion.
Its not common though. Most of the "vlčiaks" I have seen were in fact Czech (Czechoslovakian) style GSDs or GSD crosses.
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From what I've been able to gather, this seems to have been an obsessive rumor started by Tina Barber (founder of the Shiloh Shepherds), with absolutely no factual basis whatsoever. She claims to have had an original of Von Stephanitz' book in the English, before the second editions and beyond (conveniently, what most people own) "cleaned up" the mentions of wolf blood. I have a friend who does own a first edition and no such entry exists that she is able to find, at any rate.

There have been multiple edit wars on Wikipedia regarding this supposed "fact" about wolves in GSDs. I don't pay it any legitimacy.

Von Stephanitz certainly had no love for the idea of breeding wolves with dogs and I see no reason why on earth he would have attempted to do so at all.
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Czechoslovakian wolfdog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The breed still exists today. In Slovakia and Czech republic they commonly call both this breed and GSDs vlčák or vlčiak which stands for wolfdog, thus creating some confusion.
Its not common though. Most of the "vlčiaks" I have seen were in fact Czech (Czechoslovakian) style GSDs or GSD crosses.

They breed true nowadays. The original ancestor was a male GSD sire mated with a Carpathian wolf bitch. Naturally, the puppies and later dogs took their coloration from the wolf bitch but they should never be confused with wolves. They are no longer a hybrid in the true sense of the word even if they resemble in appearance the ancestral wolf.
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They breed true nowadays. The original ancestor was a male GSD sire mated with a Carpathian wolf bitch. Naturally, the puppies and later dogs took their coloration from the wolf bitch but they should never be confused with wolves. They are no longer a hybrid in the true sense of the word even if they resemble in appearance the ancestral wolf.
Sooo it acts like a dog or a Wolf? Your the Carpathian rescue guy correct?

I've never seen one in real life so just curious?
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Sooo it acts like a dog or a Wolf? Your the Carpathian rescue guy correct?

I've never seen one in real life so just curious?

No. There is a poster on this forum who owns a CSV called Kavik. Do a search. In some respects its like a wolf and in other respects its like a GSD.

This is probably how the GSD breed would have ended up if the early beeding with wolves had continued!
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