What line would you assume this litter was from?

sjackson310 · 01-14-2013, 06:27 PM

If there were a litter of 9 puppies, all which were long stock coats, and 5 were sables and 4 were black/tan, what lineage would you assume they were from?

Parents have completely straight backs, if that matters? Also, I'd love to hear your reasoning!

wildo · 01-14-2013, 06:30 PM

American Show Lines and/or American Pet Lines.

1) Because people tend to forget that there are sable ASL dogs
2) Because I think this must be some kind of trick question.

sjackson310 · 01-14-2013, 06:32 PM

I do not know the answer LOL! I was wondering what people with more expertise than I would assume this GSD would be. Could be wrong, could be right, I have no clue!

**JakodaCD OA** · 01-14-2013, 06:32 PM

could be working or a cross with ASL/APL

Two different sires? Straight backs come in all forms

sjackson310 · 01-14-2013, 06:39 PM

Hmm, never heard of American Pet Line (doesn't sound very good lol). What if many of the puppies produced (not from this sire & dam) are sables?

BlackthornGSD · 01-15-2013, 12:08 AM

Could be anything--the long-coat gene is in all GSD bloodlines.

**jocoyn** · 01-15-2013, 12:12 AM

I would guess because of the sables it would be unlikely that it was pure West German Showlines.

Freestep · 01-15-2013, 12:21 AM

Well, it could be a mix of anything--the only thing I would guess is that the litter is not 100% German show line--you don't see many sables in German show lines. All lines of GSD have the gene for long coats.

Most reputable breeders do not make a habit of breeding longcoat to longcoat, which is the most likely explanation for a 100% longcoat litter. So I could hazard another guess that it's a BYB. Granted, it's possible to breed two short coats (or short coat to longcoat) and get a litter of 9 longcoats, but it's highly unlikely.

sjackson310 · 01-15-2013, 11:09 AM

Hmm okay. I kinda assumed it'd be a mix of sorts. I was surprised to see so many sables in the litter with two red & black parents. The dad is a LC and the mom is a plush coat i believe?

sjackson310 · 01-15-2013, 11:11 AM

Thanks for all the responses btw, i knew y'all would be the best to ask!

Oh, it's not a "byb" and a couple people from this forum have GSD from this kennel. It's not a dog most people on this forum are looking for though... if that makes any sense?

01-14-2013, 06:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
sjackson310 Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 94	What line would you assume this litter was from? If there were a litter of 9 puppies, all which were long stock coats, and 5 were sables and 4 were black/tan, what lineage would you assume they were from? Parents have completely straight backs, if that matters? Also, I'd love to hear your reasoning!

01-14-2013, 06:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
wildo Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,119	American Show Lines and/or American Pet Lines. 1) Because people tend to forget that there are sable ASL dogs 2) Because I think this must be some kind of trick question. __________________ Willy Pimg - DOB: 2/06, CL3, CL2, CL1, UJJ, HIT, CGC High Jinks vom Neuanfang - DOB 9/12 (Gotchya Day: 1/23/2013) agility superstar in training

01-14-2013, 06:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 17,553	could be working or a cross with ASL/APL Two different sires? Straight backs come in all forms __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

01-15-2013, 12:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
BlackthornGSD Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Central Virginia Posts: 1,426	Could be anything--the long-coat gene is in all GSD bloodlines. __________________ Christine Blackthorn Working German Shepherds

01-15-2013, 12:12 AM	#7 (permalink)
jocoyn Zombie Queen Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 11,866	I would guess because of the sables it would be unlikely that it was pure West German Showlines. __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Beau -NAPWDA Certified Cadaver Dog Waiting at the Bridge (italics=GSDs) (hemangiosarcoma=blue):Grim , Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles

01-14-2013, 06:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
sjackson310 Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 94	I do not know the answer LOL! I was wondering what people with more expertise than I would assume this GSD would be. Could be wrong, could be right, I have no clue!

01-14-2013, 06:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
sjackson310 Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 94	Hmm, never heard of American Pet Line (doesn't sound very good lol). What if many of the puppies produced (not from this sire & dam) are sables?

01-15-2013, 12:21 AM	#8 (permalink)
Freestep Crowned Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Northern California Posts: 5,156	Well, it could be a mix of anything--the only thing I would guess is that the litter is not 100% German show line--you don't see many sables in German show lines. All lines of GSD have the gene for long coats. Most reputable breeders do not make a habit of breeding longcoat to longcoat, which is the most likely explanation for a 100% longcoat litter. So I could hazard another guess that it's a BYB. Granted, it's possible to breed two short coats (or short coat to longcoat) and get a litter of 9 longcoats, but it's highly unlikely.

01-15-2013, 11:09 AM	#9 (permalink)
sjackson310 Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 94	Hmm okay. I kinda assumed it'd be a mix of sorts. I was surprised to see so many sables in the litter with two red & black parents. The dad is a LC and the mom is a plush coat i believe?

01-15-2013, 11:11 AM	#10 (permalink)
sjackson310 Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 94	Thanks for all the responses btw, i knew y'all would be the best to ask! Oh, it's not a "byb" and a couple people from this forum have GSD from this kennel. It's not a dog most people on this forum are looking for though... if that makes any sense?

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