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bethany.cole2013 01-04-2013 08:29 PM

Opinions? Experience?
 
I'm talking to a somewhat local breeder about possibly doing a co-own with a female that they have and they have suggested this girl:

UKC CH, DM CLEAR Viernheimi Ranie

She would be a working prospect and we would be showing her in Obedience and working on getting a few more titles under her. What do you think about her pedigree? Do you have any experience with any of the dogs in her pedigree or dogs of similar lines? What are half show line half working line dogs like in general?

MichaelE 01-04-2013 09:18 PM

Why would a dog want to be 'owned' by two or more individuals?

I appologize, but I can't wrap my head around this arrangement.

A GSD is a one-human dog. He will tolerate and be freindly to others, but there is only one he will truly bond with and be friends forever.

Maybe I'm not seeing this from your point of view. :confused:

robk 01-04-2013 09:28 PM

The mother line brings in a lot of drive through several lines to Fero including Nick. I like to see Nick close up in a pedigree because he just seems to bring in so much power. I cannot tell you anything about the sires lines as I am unfamiliar with Show lines. I have seen the combos work well but I have also seen the combos create dogs with a lot of drive coupled with some nerve issues. I hope others will chime in to give you some more information on this particular combo.

bethany.cole2013 01-04-2013 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by robk (Post 2674017)
The mother line brings in a lot of drive through several lines to Fero including Nick. I like to see Nick close up in a pedigree because he just seems to bring in so much power. I cannot tell you anything about the sires lines as I am unfamiliar with Show lines. I have seen the combos work well but I have also seen the combos create dogs with a lot of drive coupled with some nerve issues. I hope others will chime in to give you some more information on this particular combo.


Thank you for at least giving some helpful information.

bethany.cole2013 01-04-2013 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelE (Post 2673937)
Why would a dog want to be 'owned' by two or more individuals?

I appologize, but I can't wrap my head around this arrangement.

A GSD is a one-human dog. He will tolerate and be freindly to others, but there is only one he will truly bond with and be friends forever.

Maybe I'm not seeing this from your point of view. :confused:

Technically the dog will have two "owners" listed on paper. She will be living with me and I will be taking care of her and bonding with her and what not but she will also still technically and legally be owned by the both of us. I have seen lots of reputable breeders do this with people that they trust. This breeder in particular wants to free up some room but doesn't necessarily want to sell this girl completely outright. No need to apologize, just some people have been unaware of this co-owning thing. Lots of show homes do this.

MichaelE 01-04-2013 09:46 PM

I see. Thank you for the explanation.

What happens if/when he wants to take possesion of the dog? What happens if he never wants to?

msvette2u 01-04-2013 09:56 PM

That doesn't happen unless things went way south.
It's a way to own the dog (legally) without having it right in your home.
It also gives the other party a chance to own/show/breed the dog without as much expense up front.

bethany. correct me if I'm wrong ;)

bethany.cole2013 01-04-2013 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msvette2u (Post 2674273)
That doesn't happen unless things went way south.
It's a way to own the dog (legally) without having it right in your home.
It also gives the other party a chance to own/show/breed the dog without as much expense up front.

bethany. correct me if I'm wrong ;)

You are entirely correct. Sorry if my explanation wasn't all that good. We are wanting to get into doing some obedience and maybe some tracking work. Basically just showing in whatever venue she excels at lol. We get the expense of taking care of her (food, water, shelter, vet care) without having to pay an arm and a leg to own her outright. Usually, there is a contract stating the stipulations, etc etc to protect both parties and this co-own will be no different. We will have a contract outlining the rights and responsibilities of each party and we will both sign it and have copies of it.

msvette2u 01-04-2013 10:35 PM

I'd do it in a heartbeat, but if I start down that road it'll be Dachshunds.

That said, I'd do it in a heartbeat :)

Freestep 01-04-2013 10:49 PM

This dog would be a show/working cross. I once knew a son of Brend Viernheimi, a similar type of pedigree. Seems this kennel does work with show/working crosses. He was a sharp, civil dog (due to the type of training he received overseas, I was told) but biddable and loyal to his owner.

If you have a chance to co-own this dog just to gain experience through training, working, and trialing, I would go for it! At the very worst, it will be an incredibly rich experience for you.


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