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xsaysayx 12-27-2012 10:58 PM

DDR/Czech West line Mixes?
I'm curious to see some photos/breeders who mix west/show line dogs with the working lines of czech,ddr/etc.
I imagine it would create a very sturdy temperament and healthy dog with a very unique and possibly beautiful outcome. I know most people are all for working or all for show, and I haevn't been able to find anyone who combines them.
Just curious. Thanks!

cliffson1 12-27-2012 11:36 PM

I did it once and did not like the uniform type I got. Two real nice dogs out of eight. Other six were decent but not up to my expectations. Biggest problem was lack of nerve strength in pups even though the SL mother had great nerve. I went against my instincts.

Seer 12-28-2012 10:32 AM

Hopefully you will continue not to see that. Whats the point of taking a dog breed to work and make it prettier. DDR specifically (Im biased) and some Czech have all the beauty and braun to get the tough jobs done. If you have to outcross your line to get a sturdy temperament and a healthy dog you have screwed the pooch to begin with. Just sayin

robk 12-28-2012 10:39 AM

Working X showline cross. I don't think that this is a new concept.

Seer 12-28-2012 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by cliffson1 (Post 2665176)
lack of nerve strength in pups even though the SL mother had great nerve.


My comment was not flung in your direction. Question if you see this. Two solid nerve dogs, I would almost never expect to see those percentages. Was she a anomaly in her line for nerves? What do you associate the drastic reduction in nerve to?



carmspack 12-28-2012 11:15 AM

I don't see a problem with these mixes whatsoever , having done so and continue to do so all the time .

example police service dog Agro Carmspack Agro

Carmspack Badger
and his brother
Urban Tracking Dog Excellent at "just" three years of age
Birch-Bark Hill

Sumo (Journey) who brings in Colin Malemi Carmspack Sumo

Carmspack Nickolas Line-breeding for the progency of Carmspack Stan and Chiba vom Parchimer Land All Things "Dog": August 2012

BlackthornGSD 12-28-2012 11:38 AM

I really like the Czech/DDR/West working line combinations, personally.

I'm a bit more dubious about adding the showline dogs, however, there are many top working dogs from Czech and West bloodlines that have had a little bit of showlines bred in. It seems like the best results from these combinations are often a few generations down from the introduction of the show bloodlines.

Chris Wild 12-28-2012 11:57 AM

I have done a few Czech and West working line breedings and have very much liked the results. But those were all working line, no show lines.

BlackthornGSD 12-28-2012 12:26 PM

Carmen, I am not seeing the show lines in the pedigrees you listed--which dogs are the conformation dogs?

Catu 12-28-2012 02:38 PM

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't think Czech and DDR GSDs need anything the showlines can add in terms of looks.

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