DDR/Czech West line Mixes? - Page 2

cliffson1 · 12-28-2012, 02:54 PM

Where do I think the lack of nerve came from? HaHa ...I don't know now cause I recently learned that seeing a dog in person trumps bloodlines....

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Seriously though, look at it this way....suppose you have a litter with 8pups and 6 are lacking in nerve strength, but two are solid in nerves. Now suppose someone comes by and sees one of the two solid dogs and decides to breed to them because what they see is solid. So the litter comes and half the litter has nerve issues even though both parents showed an outward expression of good nerves. Did the parent that was from a litter of majority weak nerves throw what they were or what they were made up of, or both? I know what I think, but curious what others think. I so confused these days

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Freestep · 12-28-2012, 03:22 PM

This is a dog I once knew, I was told that he was bred in Czech, but of German show lines. I don't know Czech pedigrees well enough to know whether this would be considered a showline pedigree or a showline/Czech mix.

Zasko z Gentu

Zasko was a bit of a hot-head, I was told that much of it was due to the type of training he'd gotten before he came to the US. He wasn't stupidly aggressive, but he was a dog I wouldn't have wanted to mess with--serious and civil.

xsaysayx · 12-28-2012, 05:41 PM

All I mean by the appearance is the black and red. I love it

I don't like the show lines who have no schutzhund abilities, but there are a lot of lines that excel in sieger as well as work, though I agree not typically as well as a strict working line. I think that a dog with a very strong working instinct (for a sieger line), who also has great conformation, bred to a nicely built DDR or larger czech would make an excellent dog, but I suppose it depends.

4TheDawgies · 12-28-2012, 05:56 PM

I agree there is potential for them to look good.

The concern is that the phenotype on a Czech/DDR dog is quite different than an average sieger type west German showline.

Blending the two has a potential for some good from both sides. But sometimes adding the two together can just create a mish mash of bizarre looking dogs. It all depends on how the breeding is done, the bloodlines, the phenotypes of the dogs etc. So so so much goes into it (and this is only talking about the visual aspects).

That being said, are you saying you like the saddle back look? Or just the vibrant colors? I have seen plenty, and own some working line Czech/DDR/WGWL dogs that have some fantastic pigment and very deep reds to their coats.

I assume you probably like the dark mask, black muzzle, saddle back with red instead of tan coloration like this.

** Huge oversize photo removed. Please no photos over 800X600. Thank you. ADMIN**

This is that same showline male with one of my Czech/DDR/WGWL males. the photo was enhanced with instagram to make them pop more, but you can see that the sable males legs are the same hue of red as the showline males.

But anyways, like everyone else says. It really really depends

**Liesje** · 12-28-2012, 05:58 PM

I am getting a puppy from a WGSL / DDR cross this coming summer... (both dogs have good temperaments and good looks/conformation on their own)

**Andaka** · 12-28-2012, 07:14 PM

My young dog is 3/4 ASL and 1/4 DDR. He is a beautiful dog with lots of drive and a gret temperament.

Deestraum-Andaka's Jagged Edge

GatorDog · 12-28-2012, 07:25 PM

My dog Aiden is a WGSL/WGWL cross. Some people who have seen him in Schutzhund think he's weak nerved, but I also think that his foundation in training started all wrong..Too much defense too early has given us our issues. He is also handler sensitive. Other than that I think he's an absolutely amazing dog everywhere that we go, and handsome too.

stack2 by Gator_Dog, on Flickr

_MG_0825 by Gator_Dog, on Flickr

Lucy Dog · 12-28-2012, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liesje

I am getting a puppy from a WGSL / DDR cross this coming summer... (both dogs have good temperaments and good looks/conformation on their own)

Quite possibly me too. I'm guessing maybe even the same litter.

**Liesje** · 12-28-2012, 08:11 PM

Really are you getting one from Lindsay? My dog is the sire, so I'm getting a puppy to see how he turns out

Lucy Dog · 12-28-2012, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liesje

Really are you getting one from Lindsay? My dog is the sire, so I'm getting a puppy to see how he turns out

Maybe I guessed wrong then.

Robin's doing a cross that I've been very interested in for a while now. I think she's mentioned it a couple times on here... maybe not. Her DDR dog, Izzy, and one of her sl's, Uzo. I've got a few litters narrowed down and this cross is very high on my list.

So you decided to breed Nikon? I'm sure he's going to a produce some great puppies. Who's the dam going to be?

12-28-2012, 02:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
cliffson1 Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,867	Where do I think the lack of nerve came from? HaHa ...I don't know now cause I recently learned that seeing a dog in person trumps bloodlines...., Seriously though, look at it this way....suppose you have a litter with 8pups and 6 are lacking in nerve strength, but two are solid in nerves. Now suppose someone comes by and sees one of the two solid dogs and decides to breed to them because what they see is solid. So the litter comes and half the litter has nerve issues even though both parents showed an outward expression of good nerves. Did the parent that was from a litter of majority weak nerves throw what they were or what they were made up of, or both? I know what I think, but curious what others think. I so confused these days.

12-28-2012, 05:56 PM	#14 (permalink)
4TheDawgies Master Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: KS Posts: 996	I agree there is potential for them to look good. The concern is that the phenotype on a Czech/DDR dog is quite different than an average sieger type west German showline. Blending the two has a potential for some good from both sides. But sometimes adding the two together can just create a mish mash of bizarre looking dogs. It all depends on how the breeding is done, the bloodlines, the phenotypes of the dogs etc. So so so much goes into it (and this is only talking about the visual aspects). That being said, are you saying you like the saddle back look? Or just the vibrant colors? I have seen plenty, and own some working line Czech/DDR/WGWL dogs that have some fantastic pigment and very deep reds to their coats. I assume you probably like the dark mask, black muzzle, saddle back with red instead of tan coloration like this. Huge oversize photo removed. Please no photos over 800X600. Thank you. ADMIN This is that same showline male with one of my Czech/DDR/WGWL males. the photo was enhanced with instagram to make them pop more, but you can see that the sable males legs are the same hue of red as the showline males. But anyways, like everyone else says. It really really depends __________________ "For the animal shall not be measured by man. In a world older and more complete than ours they move finished and complete, gifted with extensions of the senses we have lost or never attained, living by voices we shall never hear."

12-28-2012, 05:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
Liesje Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 16,234	I am getting a puppy from a WGSL / DDR cross this coming summer... (both dogs have good temperaments and good looks/conformation on their own) __________________ Liesje & Nikon vom Blauen Horizont / Blue Horizon GSDs

12-28-2012, 07:14 PM	#16 (permalink)
Andaka "I like Daffy" Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Douglas, IL ( near St. Louis) Posts: 2,920	My young dog is 3/4 ASL and 1/4 DDR. He is a beautiful dog with lots of drive and a gret temperament. Deestraum-Andaka's Jagged Edge __________________ Daphne and the Gang at Andaka Where Beauty and Brains Come Together http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/sear...n_shepherd_dog Home of Ch Natty; Ch Doll; Jag CDX GN RE (ch ptd); Sara RN (ch ptd); and Ch. Fisher (Mr. Evil) At the Bridge: Ch Kahla CD; Ch Keno UD HSAs OA; Ch Kizzy HSAs RE; Ch Tag CD RAE2; Ch Pharra; Bee PT; Ch Red the Dachshund

12-28-2012, 07:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
GatorDog Knighted Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 2,861	My dog Aiden is a WGSL/WGWL cross. Some people who have seen him in Schutzhund think he's weak nerved, but I also think that his foundation in training started all wrong..Too much defense too early has given us our issues. He is also handler sensitive. Other than that I think he's an absolutely amazing dog everywhere that we go, and handsome too. stack2 by Gator_Dog, on Flickr _MG_0825 by Gator_Dog, on Flickr __________________ -Alexis Aiden vom HausDaka - (HOT) CGC, TT, IPO1 Carma vom Oz Haus - puppy in training! http://sharpshepherd.wordpress.com//

12-28-2012, 03:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
Freestep Crowned Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Northern California Posts: 5,152	This is a dog I once knew, I was told that he was bred in Czech, but of German show lines. I don't know Czech pedigrees well enough to know whether this would be considered a showline pedigree or a showline/Czech mix. Zasko z Gentu Zasko was a bit of a hot-head, I was told that much of it was due to the type of training he'd gotten before he came to the US. He wasn't stupidly aggressive, but he was a dog I wouldn't have wanted to mess with--serious and civil.

12-28-2012, 05:41 PM	#13 (permalink)
xsaysayx Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 28	All I mean by the appearance is the black and red. I love it I don't like the show lines who have no schutzhund abilities, but there are a lot of lines that excel in sieger as well as work, though I agree not typically as well as a strict working line. I think that a dog with a very strong working instinct (for a sieger line), who also has great conformation, bred to a nicely built DDR or larger czech would make an excellent dog, but I suppose it depends.

12-28-2012, 08:11 PM	#19 (permalink)
Liesje Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 16,234	Really are you getting one from Lindsay? My dog is the sire, so I'm getting a puppy to see how he turns out __________________ Liesje & Nikon vom Blauen Horizont / Blue Horizon GSDs

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