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Berlin's Parents

V Ultri vom Köriser See
The dam, Ultri

V Tony von der Burg Haidstein
The sire, Tony

Just wondering what everyone thinks? I have zero idea how to read a pedigree. I wonder who Berlin will look like!

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I'm not very well versed on lines, but I have heard of Zamp Von Thermodos. I believe he was Tony's sire. Zamp is a very nice dog!

It's funny both of Berlin's parents are stock coats? That was the same with my Bear, both his parents were stock coats.

I'll leave the expert opinions to those more knowledgeable.

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V Ultri vom Köriser See
The dam, Ultri

V Tony von der Burg Haidstein
The sire, Tony

Just wondering what everyone thinks? I have zero idea how to read a pedigree. I wonder who Berlin will look like!
It doesn't matter because they are both very nice looking dogs

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Zamp is very nice! And yes, he is Tony's sire. The breeder had a link to a page with information on him. Such a beauty!

Yep, the breeder has only stock coats. But many of her dogs, I believe, carry the recessive gene for LC. Thats good though, because it means they aren't breeding specifically for longcoats, they just happen to pop up every so often.

Haha I swear, Berlin and Bear are twins!

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I'm not very well versed on lines, but I have heard of Zamp Von Thermodos. I believe he was Tony's sire. Zamp is a very nice dog!

It's funny both of Berlin's parents are stock coats? That was the same with my Bear, both his parents were stock coats.

I'll leave the expert opinions to those more knowledgeable.

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It doesn't matter because they are both very nice looking dogs
Yes they are! I'm happy my little guy has such beautiful parents. They both have such a deep red coloring, I love it!

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Okay, pedigree people, help me out!

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Berlin's Pedigree^

His grand sire (?) Zamp, died today three years ago, unknown why he died. Ive read some speculations of cancer and heart disease? Anyways, 8 years old is YOUNG, and ive been freaking out worrying if something like cancer or heart disease can be passed on through generations? I know Berlin is two generations younger, so the chances are surely reduced...But what do you think? Zamp passed a lot of traits down into his progeny and Tony passed those right on to Berlin....so I know Berlin has alot of Zamp's traits! Any input..?


Also - people who can read a pedigree good, what is good in his pedigree, I know Zamp and Quantum and Ursus...but what else.? What types of traits are in the dogs in this pedigree? All I can tell from looking at a pedigree is how good the dogs look, and what titles they have. So i cant read too much into it.

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Not helping but our dogs are sort of related, lol... He has quantum in his pedigree too. Zephyr's flying Ollie vom Grunenfeld

I know these things are partially related to genetics but how you care for him now also can have a positive effect... Let me look up an interesting thread for you...

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Many WGSL dogs carry the LC recessive. This is why out of most WGSL breedings, you will have a few LC popping up even with stock coated parents.

Zamp was an excellent producer and prolific producer in his time. More on Zamp:THE LEGEND - ZAMP
Dam is a Quenn daughter - Quenn is also an excellent producer and lovely dog. 10 years old now and in excellent health - so don't focus on one dog in the pedigree and worry as you have other dogs in the lineage that are known for longevity.

If I were you, I would contact Michelle as she owns/owned the sire and dam. She will be able to tell you individual traits she has noticed and why she conducted this particular breeding. I believe Robin and Carlos also know the sire and perhaps the dam so they can give you further first hand insight.

I wouldn't worry needlessly at this point about cancer or heart disease. You already have the pup - lots of dogs die of these type of issues in older age - unless you know for sure the cause of the dog's death AND that he specifically passed it onto progeny (because it is one thing to be afflicted with a condition - it is entirely different thing to pass it on reliably to progeny), there is no reason to worry excessively about a grandsire.
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Not helping but our dogs are sort of related, lol... He has quantum in his pedigree too.
Cool! So that makes them like cousins or something? Right? Thanks, Ill check that book out, looks interesting!

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Many WGSL dogs carry the LC recessive. This is why out of most WGSL breedings, you will have a few LC popping up even with stock coated parents.

Zamp was an excellent producer and prolific producer in his time. More on Zamp:THE LEGEND - ZAMP
Dam is a Quenn daughter - Quenn is also an excellent producer and lovely dog. 10 years old now and in excellent health - so don't focus on one dog in the pedigree and worry as you have other dogs in the lineage that are known for longevity.

If I were you, I would contact Michelle as she owns/owned the sire and dam. She will be able to tell you individual traits she has noticed and why she conducted this particular breeding. I believe Robin and Carlos also know the sire and perhaps the dam so they can give you further first hand insight.

I wouldn't worry needlessly at this point about cancer or heart disease. You already have the pup - lots of dogs die of these type of issues in older age - unless you know for sure the cause of the dog's death AND that he specifically passed it onto progeny (because it is one thing to be afflicted with a condition - it is entirely different thing to pass it on reliably to progeny), there is no reason to worry excessively about a grandsire.
Thanks for your reply. I have read a ton about Zamp I already know why Michelle did this breeding, I was just curious as to what kind of traits the other dogs have in his pedigree. I only know the traits from Ultri, Tony, and Zamp. I was just curious what the other dogs offered as well. Thanks for the info about Quenn! Didnt know a thing about him, but good to know he is healthy. I dont know doggie genetics or anything, so not sure how prominent something can be in lines, and how often it is passed down. As far as I know, Tony is still healthy, but hes only four years old I believe. Quantum (Zamps sire) also lived to be ten I believe, so I guess I am reading too much into it!

How do you figure out the health of the dogs in pedigrees?

Thanks again qbchottu.

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What do you mean by health of the dogs? The hip/elbow scores are on the pedigree - you can look them up on SV site or OFA if you are so inclined. As DM testing becomes more popular, you might see that listed as well (but probably not for European dogs as DM testing is not the fad there as it is in the States). Most of the big stud dogs will be mourned when they pass so you can find tribute sites or notices posted when they passed - gives you an idea of their age. For specifics and details, you must contact the owner or breeder and ask for certain. Keep in mind that unless they know you or have some professional working relationship with you - most people will not be so inclined to spill details on their dog to a stranger
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