thoughts on her pedigree, please...

dnh314 · 12-15-2012, 03:17 AM

What are your inputs on her pedigree?
Dakota Von Miller Haus

wolfstraum · 12-15-2012, 07:40 AM

there is no line breeding, which IMO is a good thing in the WG Showlines.....I did not look for back massing tho!

Lee

GSDGenes · 01-02-2013, 01:59 AM

Whenever you need more insight on a pedigree, it often helps to look at the 6 generation pedigree.

In the 6 generation pedigree for Dakota here:
6 generation long pedigree for Dakota Von Miller Haus

you can clearly see her pedigree is solidly German conformation show lines, with many very well known dogs and kennels represented. You can also get a truer idea of what linebreeding etc exists further back in the pedigree. For instance you will see that Jeck Noricum appears multiple times in this pedigree, as does Visum Arminius, Fanto v Hirschel, Uran WildsteigerLand and others.

Ero vom Batu SchH3 liver carrier
Fanto vom Hirschel SchH3FH Sieger liver carrier
Jeck v Noricum SchH3FH Sieger liver carrier
Uran v Wildstieger Land SchH3FH Sgr -b/t carried blue & dwarfism

dnh314 · 01-02-2013, 02:46 AM

Thanks wolfstraum and gsdgenes, pardon my ignorance but what does liver carrier mean?

GSDGenes · 01-02-2013, 04:15 AM

Liver is a recessive color dilution of the blafck pigment found in many bloodlines of the GSD. The liver gene acts to block the action of the black pigment, so all the dog's pigment which would normally be black, is changed to a chocolate brown color which is called liver in the GSD breed.

Blue is another recessive color dilution gene found in many bloodlines of the GSD. The blue gene acts to turn all the black pigment of the dog to a dark to medium bluish gray color.

Xeph · 01-02-2013, 01:28 PM

Liver is not a dilute color. It changes pigment, but it is not a dilution.

**Andaka** · 01-02-2013, 05:05 PM

Anything that "lessens" the color black is considered a dilution.

Freestep · 01-02-2013, 07:10 PM

The Liver gene and the blue gene both "dilute" black, but each has a different mechanism for doing so. I used to know how both liver and blue worked but cannot remember the specifics. Anyone?

12-15-2012, 03:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
dnh314 New Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10	thoughts on her pedigree, please... What are your inputs on her pedigree? Dakota Von Miller Haus

12-15-2012, 07:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 8,203	there is no line breeding, which IMO is a good thing in the WG Showlines.....I did not look for back massing tho! Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Komet, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ - Danger Sch1 SAR - ATB~ Kougar Sch3, Kyra Sch3, Cito Sch2, Alice Sch1, Kelsey CD, Ret ~ Basha Sch3, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

01-02-2013, 01:28 PM	#6 (permalink)
Xeph Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 5,160	Liver is not a dilute color. It changes pigment, but it is not a dilution. __________________ Jackie and the Marcato Shepherds (and one cat) Strauss: The service dog Mirada: The Mogwai Wesson: The girl with a boy's name Mahler: The sporty sable Vixie: The plucky show girl Barrett: The Frikken Tikken

01-02-2013, 05:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
Andaka "I like Daffy" Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Douglas, IL ( near St. Louis) Posts: 2,926	Anything that "lessens" the color black is considered a dilution. __________________ Daphne and the Gang at Andaka Where Beauty and Brains Come Together http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/sear...n_shepherd_dog Home of Ch Natty; Ch Doll; Jag CDX GN RE (ch ptd); Sara RN (ch ptd); and Ch. Fisher (Mr. Evil) At the Bridge: Ch Kahla CD; Ch Keno UD HSAs OA; Ch Kizzy HSAs RE; Ch Tag CD RAE2; Ch Pharra; Bee PT; Ch Red the Dachshund Last edited by Andaka; 01-03-2013 at 02:08 PM.

01-02-2013, 01:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
GSDGenes Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 78	Whenever you need more insight on a pedigree, it often helps to look at the 6 generation pedigree. In the 6 generation pedigree for Dakota here: 6 generation long pedigree for Dakota Von Miller Haus you can clearly see her pedigree is solidly German conformation show lines, with many very well known dogs and kennels represented. You can also get a truer idea of what linebreeding etc exists further back in the pedigree. For instance you will see that Jeck Noricum appears multiple times in this pedigree, as does Visum Arminius, Fanto v Hirschel, Uran WildsteigerLand and others. Ero vom Batu SchH3 liver carrier Fanto vom Hirschel SchH3FH Sieger liver carrier Jeck v Noricum SchH3FH Sieger liver carrier Uran v Wildstieger Land SchH3FH Sgr -b/t carried blue & dwarfism

01-02-2013, 02:46 AM	#4 (permalink)
dnh314 New Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10	Thanks wolfstraum and gsdgenes, pardon my ignorance but what does liver carrier mean?

01-02-2013, 04:15 AM	#5 (permalink)
GSDGenes Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 78	Liver is a recessive color dilution of the blafck pigment found in many bloodlines of the GSD. The liver gene acts to block the action of the black pigment, so all the dog's pigment which would normally be black, is changed to a chocolate brown color which is called liver in the GSD breed. Blue is another recessive color dilution gene found in many bloodlines of the GSD. The blue gene acts to turn all the black pigment of the dog to a dark to medium bluish gray color.

01-02-2013, 07:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
Freestep Crowned Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Northern California Posts: 5,154	The Liver gene and the blue gene both "dilute" black, but each has a different mechanism for doing so. I used to know how both liver and blue worked but cannot remember the specifics. Anyone?

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