What "lines" are WGSDs from?

[shepherdmom]

Originally Posted by lhczth

There are whites coming out of Europe (though they have a new name) so they are not all American lines. I have not paid attention to the lines of the ones coming out of Europe so don't know if they have been separate for many generations or if there are some familiar names there.

I think you are talking about the Berger Blanc Suisse (BBS).

Berger Blanc Suisse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[kelina]

the swiss GSD !!!!

White Shepherd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[x11]

don't some people register them as a separate breed, i think an "alpine shepherd" if they are from two registered alpine shepherd parents but can not be registered if they are a mutation from one or two non-white sphepherds??

don't know where i heard this, prolly wrong.

[robk]

I have often wondered if a random white could pop up in any line.

[arycrest]

Originally Posted by lhczth

There are whites coming out of Europe (though they have a new name) so they are not all American lines. I have not paid attention to the lines of the ones coming out of Europe so don't know if they have been separate for many generations or if there are some familiar names there.

I know some of those lines going into the creation of the BBS were from American and Candian WGSD breeders.

[arycrest]

Originally Posted by robk

I have often wondered if a random white could pop up in any line.

As long as both the sire and dam carry the white masking gene white pups can be produced ... I think the white gene has been almost completely bred out of a lot of the colored lines (or they're a well kept secret).

[CelticGlory]

I didn't read the whole story, but figured this was one of the best places to start History of the White Shepherd, American White Shepherd Association, I never really thought about the question before. Does anyone know if Max's book mentioned the White German Shepherd? What about the Total German Shepherd? I would think that old Shepherd dog breeder's would be amongst the first to even have them, since most farmers don't care about type or color but, workability on the farms.

I wonder if anyone of the Shepherd breeders would remember or have been told where the white Shepherds came from? It says on the site provided above that Ann Tracy had White Shepherd Dog's. Also, this:

"The first reported AKC registration of white coated German Shepherd Dogs were from a litter whelped March 27, 1917 from the Stonihurst Kennels."

[Zeeva]

Do most of you consider WGSDs a different breed?

[Whiteshepherds]

Originally Posted by Wild Wolf

I always thought the white German Shepherds didn't look like GSDs in structure, unless you had one born of two coloured parents with correct conformation.

Really? There are so many beautiful ones with no standard colors going back 3,4,5 generations. I think the lack of markings and solid color create an optical illusion especially around the head/muzzle. I notice it in the solid black dogs too, neither is easy to get a good picture of.
I do think there's something different about the long stocks but that includes all colors. Their ears look different to me among other things.

[arycrest]

Originally Posted by Zeeva

Do most of you consider WGSDs a different breed?

Regardless of what some people want regarding breed separation, the dogs are still GSDs!!! And I'm willing to bet that the majority of breeders who support breed separation breed dogs which are registered with AKC or CKC as GSDs (some may be dual registered as White Shepherds or German Shepherds with UKC).