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Old 11-23-2012, 10:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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First off, this is purely for educational purposes.. I love Yoschi and have zero regret!!!

I am trying to learn how value is applied to GSD's.... I'd like to learn if Yoschi was over priced, under priced etc etc....

I would also like to have some help deciphering his pedigree for this same reason as well as to determine his potential based on pedigree alone...

On the koi forum I visit, it's considered tacky to say what you paid for a fish,, I am not sure the same applies here, so I'll wait to post that.. I'm hoping for an educational conversation about how breeders come up with a price and also to help me learn about my dogs lineage..
thanks in advance..

sire: V1-Gildo vom Herzbach SchH3, IPO3, FH, KKL1"a"
dam: V-Fenja vom Herzbach SchH3, FH, KKL1"a"
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:16 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What does GSH-S after the names mean? I've never seen that before. Why aren't the dogs' titles listed on the pedigree?

I'm not a pedigree expert and don't know anything about the particular dogs listed, but I recognize a couple of German showline kennel names.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:21 PM   #3 (permalink)
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That is the Working-dog.eu pedigree. the GSH-S means German Shepherd Dog straight Hair top coat. One the database when you hover over the name it shows the datasheet for the dog and it will show any titles the dog has listed.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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That is the Working-dog.eu pedigree. the GSH-S means German Shepherd Dog straight Hair top coat. One the database when you hover over the name it shows the datasheet for the dog and it will show any titles the dog has listed.
She said Yoschi is a WGSL dog with strong working potential... does that match up with the pedigree?
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This is a standard WGSL pedigree. The V in front means an excellent show rating Titles Charts. The titles afterward are SchH3 schutzhund 3 (United Schutzhund Clubs of America - Schutzhund Training) IPO3 Internationale Prüfungs-Ordnung 3 (What is Schutzhund and IPO? and Schutzhund Training, Schutzhund Titling, German Shepherd Training)
FH is Fährtenhundprüfung advanced tracking dog exam. KK1a is breed survey for life. Here are breed survey rules and what it tests for: SV Breed Survey | Fred Lanting.

Both sire and dam are titled well so that is probably why they say the puppy has good working potential and is WGSL. Sire goes back to Zamp and dam has Scott in her pedigree. I am guessing you paid more than what one would pay for a similar puppy in the states, but these sales are not uncommon so your price is probably what the market will bear. I don't think we have any rules about saying what you paid. In fact, there is a thread or two out there about how much each person paid for his or her dog.
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In the US, puppy prices for German showline GSDs such as yours, range from about $1800 on up to $8000 (ridiculous), with $2000-3000 the average. I want to say you get what you pay for, but with dogs, it isn't always true... there can be great breeders who only charge a low-end price, and awful breeders who charge $5000 or more, and everything in between. It's more about finding the right breeder than the right price, IMO.
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This is a standard WGSL pedigree. The V in front means an excellent show rating Titles Charts. The titles afterward are SchH3 schutzhund 3 (United Schutzhund Clubs of America - Schutzhund Training) IPO3 Internationale Prüfungs-Ordnung 3 (What is Schutzhund and IPO? and Schutzhund Training, Schutzhund Titling, German Shepherd Training)
FH is Fährtenhundprüfung advanced tracking dog exam. KK1a is breed survey for life. Here are breed survey rules and what it tests for: SV Breed Survey | Fre:d Lanting.

Both sire and dam are titled well so that is probably why they say the puppy has good working potential and is WGSL. Sire goes back to Zamp and dam has Scott in her pedigree. I am guessing you paid more than what one would pay for a similar puppy in the states, but these sales are not uncommon so your price is probably what the market will bear. I don't think we have any rules about saying what you paid. In fact, there is a thread or two out there about how much each person paid for his or her dog.
Fwiw I paid $2800+tt&l=$3200
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That is not bad. Pretty standard for a WGSL stock coat pup out of titled, rated, breed surveyed parents.
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Yoschi, besides your koi, do you have any other pets?
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Fwiw I paid $2800+tt&l=$3200
Tax, title, and license? On a dog?
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