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yourturn 11-10-2012 05:10 PM

Thoughts on this pairing?
V Cash von Wizards-hof
V Cash von Wizards Hof
Ambra von der Reck-Kamensche Heide
SG Ambra von der Reck-Kamensche Heide

I saw both of the dogs in person today, and both had pretty straight backs, which was a pleasant surprise. Some of the dogs at the breeder had a more pronounced curve in their backs - didn't care for that at all.

Cash is very large, and protective. A retired police dog.
Here is a video of him working:

Ambra was calm and friendly, beautiful large dog. Breeder says she is a calm mama.
I am just wanting any insight you have, I am considering a family dog. I have lots of time time spend training, exercising (I am a runner, would like a canine companion). Some day, I would love to have a working line dog, but am considering the needs of my family and realistically, we just need a great family dog with high trainability and a "softer" demeanor.
What do you think of the pedigrees?
Thank you for your time!

carmspack 11-10-2012 05:17 PM

got to say it - Cash was pretty convincing ! took the pressure, enjoyed himself working -- good dog .

yourturn 11-10-2012 09:11 PM

Thank you, carmspak.
He was very impressive in person.

Odin24 11-11-2012 08:47 AM

I like the pairing. That said, I would do a search on this forum on the kennels name. Some people here feel that this kennel is producing too many litters at a time. Others have gotten dogs from this kennel and are very happy with their dogs.

yourturn 11-12-2012 12:00 AM

Cash is at Rocky Mountain GSD in Conifer Co. So thrilled- neither sire nor dam produce the steep croup commonly seen in the WGSL. I feel pretty good about getting a little girl from these two.

cliffson1 11-12-2012 09:23 AM

Where do you get the info that these dogs won't produce the steep croup that you see in other WGSL dogs. I'm not trying to influence you one way or another, but the WGSL dogs that are producing the steep crops, are the same bloodlines as these two dogs. Go look at the bloodlines of some WGSL dogs of today that have crops you don't like, and then the pedigree with these two dogs....I think you will be surprised. If they are from the same lines, the capability on croup is there....I could be off on this as I am not as knowledgable as some on WGSL, but the pedigrees should be examined.

yourturn 11-12-2012 09:48 AM

Thank you, cliffson1- I asked the breeder about the pups that sire and dam are producing , I have seen them both and neither have a steep croup. Realizing that the bloodlines influence beyond sire and dam, I made it a point to ask.
I have expressed that I want a puppy without the steep croup- so if the litter can't offer me that then I will need to choose again.
Any other insight is appreciated. I am trusting the experience of the breeder with these dogs... But I am new to all of this. I understand comments of others on the board re: too many litters but I have visited her operation and talked with her and feel okay.
She seems very involved with her dogs.

Freestep 11-12-2012 10:39 AM

Just curious, why have you focused on a steep croup above all else? What is it about the croup that makes it so important? This is going to be a pet, not a show dog, right?

yourturn 11-12-2012 10:59 AM

I can see why you have made the assumption that I am focusing on croup more than anything else, because I have included it here.
My first priorities are based in temperament, health, the things that make for a great healthy fit to my needs. These are the expressed priorities of the breeder as well.
THose aspects of the breeding were discussed with the breeder.
The emphasis on croup in my post was based on an asthetic preference - one that takes second place to other characteristics.
I haven't fully stated all of my thoughts on this thread, and don't intend to. But I did want to clear up the misunderstanding that croup is my top priority.
Temperament and health are priorities for the breeder - if they are able to produce great dogs in those areas, with and without steep croups, then I would want to bring home a dog without a steep croup. It's simple as that.
I actually posted the pedigrees not really considering the croup- it came up for me later. The breed has changed more than I realized since my childhood - I grew up with working line shepherds whose appearance I really loved, but I believe that a showline dog is better suited to my needs. I am not looking for a hard core worker, and would not be able to offer the dog the life it needs to be it's best.

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