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Old 11-05-2012, 09:17 AM   #21 (permalink)
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The SLs...like some of the WLs...are getting too close in lineage.
I/we decided 3 years ago, to find a WL that we like, research the pedigree & see dogs from it.
My plans were/are to combine the dogs of "my" breeding program....(dogs that I have generations of first hand knowledge of)...to a sound, stable, healthy WL pedigree.
I need to "out cross" now to keep health, nerve, and soundness for my future breeding dogs.
*It is actually a little more *complicated* than that...but I find it is easier to explain in "simple format".

Kinda like this saying...."Too much of a good thing...can be a bad thing in the end, if you aren't careful."........we've been fortunate in much of our dogs......it is time to *add*...before I start to *lose*.
I will also add other SL bloodlines......right now, we are looking for good, sound dogs from the Mutz lines to bring back into our program both male & female. We constantly think generations down the road.

Breeding isn't only about *TODAY*....it is about *TOMORROW* too.....
Thanks for the explanation!
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My first GSD was a sable working line female (WGWL and some DDR) and before I owned her (she was given to me by her breeder) she was bred to a WGSL male. I believe there were four puppies in the litter, I could be wrong but I don't think it was a big litter. This was before I got her; she was spayed when I got her. Two of the dogs from her litter are very successful performance dogs. One is a top AKC agility GSD with MACH and other titles. Another is titled in just about everything you can be and even has done some titles in Canada. I believe his owner's favorite thing is tracking but I know he has lots of obedience, rally, conformation, herding, etc. titles.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:20 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I see a lot of nervy crosses at our club. Seems like the dogs with temperament issues are the ones where historically American breeders have decided to throw in a little German into their lines. Now, I'm not sure where the nerves are coming from but these dogs are far from looking show line and acting working line.

I would like to see it done successfully though. I think breeders like Carmen and Robin have the knowledge to do it, the problem is that many of the crosses we do see are what many of us would consider pet line. Dogs thrown together for looks and possibly temperament as "working line" gets a lot more popular in our country. When done right, things could work well but in my experience there has been a lot more bad than good. So if even 1 out of 10 dogs are successful it's still not a good ratio when 9 out of 10 have questionable temperament. But...breeders will well thought out programs and goals know way better than I do about what they're doing. Just that after what I've seen...I really wouldn't take the risk at purchasing one of those pups.
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Robin - GREAT answer . "Breeding isn't only about *TODAY*....it is about *TOMORROW* too..... "

I agree 200% . That is one reason why you invest in multiple generations for a personal breeding program and along the way you bank away generations of genetics of what you want so that you are not totally at the mercy of trends or what is available with important values missing.
You may not be the go to guy for a period , but then breeding needs to anticipate the total picture , the future , and not breed to satisfy the "market place".

So how is your Noche doing ??

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gagsd - the pedigrees that you provided are still working line dogs even though there is an injection of the show lines in the far background. There is a purpose . Many well known working line dogs have Quanto in the background , some Czech dogs with Canto -- I believe it was to gain something .
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I have seen quite a few "working"dogs that go back to Irk Arminius. Need to look them up.

Carmspack, what do you think Quanto brought?
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GAGSD- It looks like the dogs you listed are still *mostly* WL dogs?
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My mentor and I were discussing lines one night, and she told me that between Canto and Quanto, one brought strong nerve and temperament to the table while the other brought strong drives, and the two lines were brought together for balance. I can't remember for the life of me which brought which.

My younger girl has Canto, Quanto, Mutz and Gundo in her lines. Whatever they were supposed to bring apparently got here...lol. Because she is an absolute dream to work with.
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GAGSD- It looks like the dogs you listed are still *mostly* WL dogs?
But someone decided to make that 1/2 and 1/2 mix in the past to get those dogs.
Goes back to what Robin is doing/describing.
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But someone decided to make that 1/2 and 1/2 mix in the past to get those dogs.
Goes back to what Robin is doing/describing.

Oh, OK. I was missing that. I'm still trying to wrap my head around all of this, lol.

I was just considering 50/50 crosses at the moment but I wasnt thinking about them generations down the line. Thank you for pointing that out.
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@ Carmen.....THANK YOU!
Noche is doing VERY well! She surprises us every opportunity she gets.
She is confident, social and has good, solid nerves.
She presents herself calmly to most situations...and "fires" up when needed.
I really like her.....I hope to add her to our program later when she fully matures.
At this time...her 1/2 sister is first in line.
Funny thing.....both sisters have many similar qualities.....yet completely different "personalities".
Noche is more "defense"....but also can be switched into "prey" mode quickly.
Izzy has more "prey".....but has very nice *fight* drive....she "enjoys" the fight....and Izzy is a very stable, social animal.
*SIMILAR*...but different too.....make any sense to you? LOL.
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