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Old 11-05-2012, 08:34 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Benny is WGSL and WL and Elizabeth's definition of Stark sounds like she is describing Benny!. Benny is low to med thresholds and low drive, a bit reactive. He is extremely smart, learns quickly , performs many service tasks but because of the reactivity could never be a true service dog. He is great with children but became too reactive to be a therapy dog even though i had taken him to an assisted living facility when /i visit my mo since he was 8 weeks. Around age 2 he became very suspicious of people walking up to him slowly and haltingly. He can't always tell a threat from a non threat.
He is an wonderful companion for me and has taught me to read dog, and brought to to this forum and wonderful breeders and trainers!

I knew nothing about pedigrees or crosses when but bought him from the same breeder as my former GSD who was all WGSL.

I often hear he could almost do schutzhund or herding or therapy except for........
My next pup will be all WL.
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What seems to be common denominator in most of these cases?
The showline genetics seem to be more dominant as far as temperament and appearance
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:46 AM   #13 (permalink)
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My cross had plenty of drive as did his showline mother. He was just scared of his own shadow. I tried to start SAR with him, but he was dog reactive, did not like strange men, even though he had been socialized with them and had only good experiences, and I worked with him for months and washed him the day it took him 30 minutes to "get over" a strange peice of styrofoam in the woods. He also was bad east-west and would stumble over his own feet. His father was a KKL1 for life Czech dog, mother was the daughter of Crufts BOB but her lines were predominant W German....I don't have the pedigree....too long ago
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What color was Toby Nancy?
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:00 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Here are some mixes that seem to have been successful.

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Old 11-05-2012, 09:09 AM   #16 (permalink)
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The SLs...like some of the WLs...are getting too close in lineage.
I/we decided 3 years ago, to find a WL that we like, research the pedigree & see dogs from it.
My plans were/are to combine the dogs of "my" breeding program....(dogs that I have generations of first hand knowledge of)...to a sound, stable, healthy WL pedigree.
I need to "out cross" now to keep health, nerve, and soundness for my future breeding dogs.
*It is actually a little more *complicated* than that...but I find it is easier to explain in "simple format".

Kinda like this saying...."Too much of a good thing...can be a bad thing in the end, if you aren't careful."........we've been fortunate in much of our dogs......it is time to *add*...before I start to *lose*.
I will also add other SL bloodlines......right now, we are looking for good, sound dogs from the Mutz lines to bring back into our program both male & female. We constantly think generations down the road.

Breeding isn't only about *TODAY*....it is about *TOMORROW* too.....
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What color was Toby Nancy?
Red and Black....I will have to dig up a picture. Most of him were not digital.

I think you can get really great dogs with such an outcross but then...there is the risk of dogs like him when you breed very different dogs, no? By the same token there are risks if you breed within the lines too.

I would imagine if the breeder knew what they were doing it could work. I know Molly at Eichenluft is breeding such crosses. Conversely I know that Dennis at Johnsonhaus did do some some about 10 years ago but I think he is only WL now. It may be good to ask why he quit, but he is not on the forum but Caroline (GSDBESTK9) might know and comment.
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and another Greg vom Maulachtal
also goes back to jenny.
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and here:-) ..... V Tara v. Wildenbruch
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Reba is American Show Lines (Darby Dan and Kolbrook), West German Show Lines (Arlett, Kirschental) and some other lines that I'm sure are working, but I don't know from which region.
Medium drive with an excellent off-switch, she's extremely handler sensitive. She's definitely an interesting dog...no reactivity or unwanted aggression (she'd be more likely to lick you to death than anything), though she has a natural protective instinct and is a good judge of character. She loves to work, loves to get out and do things (particularly anything that involves running for what seems like days). She's extremely polite...doesn't jump on people, doesn't bark a lot, and is good with other dogs and animals (adores cats!)


I'm not sure how much of her personality is genetic/developed and how much is environmental and came from her first eighteen months with her original owners because this dog was in bad shape when she came to us.
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