Hanach Jipo-Me 4th bloodline?

wildo · 10-16-2012, 12:09 PM

I found this website: HANACH Jipo-Me

They state of Hanach:

Quote:

She is significant for her strong head, lots of energy and working drives. It is a female with nice strong bones. HANACH is also fully social female and at the same time she has very strong protection. She also loves to play with ball. We expect HANACH to produce strong self confident progeny. We also expect good hips and elbows results. HANACH belongs to the 4th bloodline from her father and mother side.

(emphasis mine)

What does it mean for a dog to belong to the 4th bloodline of their sire/dam? I'm confused by the last sentence.

wildo · 10-16-2012, 12:16 PM

I see Jipo-Me only twice in the pedigree: once in the dam's mom, and once in the sire. So my novice self would think that, at most, Hanach has two ancestors of the Jipo-Me bloodline, making her the 3rd member of the line in her own pedigree. Does that phrase mean something different?

jmdjack · 10-16-2012, 01:55 PM

Wildo, there are others who know more about this than me, but go to Jinopo's website(Jinopo.CZ Czech, Slovak, DDR, East German K9 working dogs) and click on the tab for "Our Dogs" and select "Stud Dogs" or "Females". Jinopo (which I believe is a group of breeders including Jipo-Me) characterizes the bloodlines not by breeder, but by male bloodlines. For each breeding dog there will be dogs listed by "bloodlines." For each dog, it will list the male sire line back to a particular "Founder." For instance, in the "2nd bloodline" the sire line descends back to Hettel Uckermark; 4th bloodline back to Utz v. Haus Schutting; 5th bloodline back to Rolf; etc.

wildo · 10-16-2012, 02:04 PM

Oh, how very strange. Thanks for the info jmdjack!

carmspack · 10-16-2012, 02:07 PM

no , afraid this is going to be one of those complicated trips down genetic history. I am assuming this writer means the branch off the family tree - DDR Zuchtlinien

wildo · 10-16-2012, 02:41 PM

Thanks for the link, Carmen. I'll have to dig into that after work.

jmdjack · 10-16-2012, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carmspack

no , afraid this is going to be one of those complicated trips down genetic history. I am assuming this writer means the branch off the family tree - DDR Zuchtlinien

I do not know the basis of Jinopo's bloodline characterization, but it does not appear on its face to correspond to the DDR Zuchtlinien. Jinopo references 6 bloodlines going back to the following founders:

1 - extinct (I think I recall a post of Hans stating this)
2 - Hettel Uckermark
3 - Klodo Boxberg
4 - Utz Haus Schutting
5 - Rolf Osnabrucker Land
6 - Utz Haus Schutting (again)

For instance, wouldn't Jinopo's Bloodline 2 (Hettel Uckermark) be DDR Bloodline V (Nestor Wiegersfelson down through Immo Hassenfang)?

carmspack · 10-16-2012, 08:16 PM

this is along the lines of the one topic which never got finished - the one which went back to the Wurtemberger, and two Swabian types - then bringing it forward to the four pillars of the modern GSD which include Nestor Wiegerfelsen, Junker Nassau , Claudius Hain and R litter Osnabrucker Land . Each sire group had characteristics that set them apart and understanding that helps in making the balance.

phgsd · 10-16-2012, 09:40 PM

I have a chart of the bloodlines somewhere, I will see if I can dig it up for you...

phgsd · 10-16-2012, 09:49 PM

I found them, but I'm not sure if they're okay to post or not. I don't even remember where I got them, I've had them saved on my computer for years.

They might not be exactly what you're looking for, but they are pretty cool.

Oh well - mods, if they're not allowed, take em down

10-16-2012, 12:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
wildo Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,098	I see Jipo-Me only twice in the pedigree: once in the dam's mom, and once in the sire. So my novice self would think that, at most, Hanach has two ancestors of the Jipo-Me bloodline, making her the 3rd member of the line in her own pedigree. Does that phrase mean something different? __________________ Willy Pimg - DOB: 2/06, CL3, CL2, CL1, UJJ, HIT, CGC High Jinks vom Neuanfang - DOB 9/12 (Gotchya Day: 1/23/2013) agility superstar in training

10-16-2012, 02:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
wildo Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,098	Oh, how very strange. Thanks for the info jmdjack! __________________ Willy Pimg - DOB: 2/06, CL3, CL2, CL1, UJJ, HIT, CGC High Jinks vom Neuanfang - DOB 9/12 (Gotchya Day: 1/23/2013) agility superstar in training

10-16-2012, 02:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
wildo Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,098	Thanks for the link, Carmen. I'll have to dig into that after work. __________________ Willy Pimg - DOB: 2/06, CL3, CL2, CL1, UJJ, HIT, CGC High Jinks vom Neuanfang - DOB 9/12 (Gotchya Day: 1/23/2013) agility superstar in training

10-16-2012, 09:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
phgsd Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 1,569	I have a chart of the bloodlines somewhere, I will see if I can dig it up for you... __________________ Kira, Kessy, Djenga, Madina www.hghclubnortheast.com

10-16-2012, 09:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
phgsd Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 1,569	I found them, but I'm not sure if they're okay to post or not. I don't even remember where I got them, I've had them saved on my computer for years. They might not be exactly what you're looking for, but they are pretty cool. Oh well - mods, if they're not allowed, take em down __________________ Kira, Kessy, Djenga, Madina www.hghclubnortheast.com

10-16-2012, 01:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
jmdjack Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 91	Wildo, there are others who know more about this than me, but go to Jinopo's website(Jinopo.CZ Czech, Slovak, DDR, East German K9 working dogs) and click on the tab for "Our Dogs" and select "Stud Dogs" or "Females". Jinopo (which I believe is a group of breeders including Jipo-Me) characterizes the bloodlines not by breeder, but by male bloodlines. For each breeding dog there will be dogs listed by "bloodlines." For each dog, it will list the male sire line back to a particular "Founder." For instance, in the "2nd bloodline" the sire line descends back to Hettel Uckermark; 4th bloodline back to Utz v. Haus Schutting; 5th bloodline back to Rolf; etc.

10-16-2012, 02:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
carmspack Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario - Posts: 5,509	no , afraid this is going to be one of those complicated trips down genetic history. I am assuming this writer means the branch off the family tree - DDR Zuchtlinien

10-16-2012, 08:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
carmspack Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario - Posts: 5,509	this is along the lines of the one topic which never got finished - the one which went back to the Wurtemberger, and two Swabian types - then bringing it forward to the four pillars of the modern GSD which include Nestor Wiegerfelsen, Junker Nassau , Claudius Hain and R litter Osnabrucker Land . Each sire group had characteristics that set them apart and understanding that helps in making the balance.

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