Cliff, yes you have and I greatly appreciate it. My last post was in the context of this thread and your explanation of why you did not go into more detail, hence my continuing on with your trig analogy. I certainly was not meaning to imply otherwise because I, again, appreciate the generosity with which you share knowledge and your efforts to educate. I was encouraging you to continue to do so in situations like this one. I think we are getting our wires crossed a little bit because this is occurring on the internet. If we were sitting down talking about this over a beer I am confident these minor misunderstandings would be avoided. You, Carmen, and a few others are the primary reasons why I check in here.
Since asking these questions, I tracked down the "basic bloodlines" thread on Hans' site and read it. I do not want to rehash that here because it is pretty well hashed out there. I got hung up on the notions that (1) it is best to breed within a line and then next best to breed to lines next to each other and (2) the attribution of traits to lines that descend to male dogs many decades ago (i.e. this line has high anger, good tracking, lesser obedience, that line is super protective, early maturing, handler aggression). When looking back to male dogs alive 70 to 100 years ago, there are many, many sire lines between the tale male and tail female lines, and an equal number of female lines, including the tail female line. In my mind I think, how can one line (the tail male line) dictate the above? I have it better sorted now having read that thread (which in my mind means there is a lot more to it than the tail male line!).
Carmen, thanks for the discussion of Ingo (both my dogs go back to Ingo). According to the Jinopo website, Ingo is 5th line which is Rolf O. By all accounts, Ingo was quite a dog and your examples of breedings built around him is very interesting. Here's my question as it relates to bloodlines: is Ingo representative of Rolf? If not, what is the utility in characterizing him as part of the Rolf bloodline?
I want to be clear about a couple things. I am not criticizing Jinopo or Hans (AlpineK9) and I am not challenging your (Cliff and Carmen) knowledge - that would be like bringing a knife to a gun fight. I am genuinely curious and trying to put the pieces together.