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Old 08-28-2012, 02:35 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Would it be fair to say that the Kirschental line today is a show line that is also strong in the work?

I once had a pup whose dam line went back to Kirschental. She was very biddable and wanted to work just to please me. Very nice, quick, happy obedience. Unfortunately, she had terrible hips, and was sensitive, thin on nerves. I don't know how much of that was pain-related, but when we'd go on walks, she'd start out all bold and confident and then get more nervous and reactive toward the end of the walk. It was bizarre behavior to me, because with nervous/fearful dogs, it's usually the opposite.

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Old 08-28-2012, 02:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Depends on the individual dog now, methinks. Of the ones I've seen (from Kirschental and carrying the kennel name, not going back to Kirschental), a few I'd take home in a heartbeat and a few you couldn't pay me to take. I believe the formula was originally to take a strong working bitch to a more typey showline male but now several generations out it's more showline bitch that goes back on a strong motherline to a showline male.
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:48 PM   #13 (permalink)
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here is the web site of a local kennel that specializes in "Kirschental" Alpenhof . Zasara

It is a far cry from the beginings V Fenga vom Kirschental - German Shepherd Dog (Blanka Mummelsee) from Vefa Kirschental, merging another thoroughly tried and tested , well established old herding line (Dori aus der Wanderschaferei) through Centi Kirschental . Fenga is the dam of Uwe and Uran Kirschental . Generally this U litter Kirschental marks the end of a "type" of breeding.
To add to the story you must bring in Fritz Biehler .
This man pretty well owned top spot on the BSP podium . His personal competition dogs were Enno Antrefftal , then his son Drigon Furhmannshof -- then at his insistence , because he saw something special in Fenga , and why not - pedigree to die for, Drigon was bred to Fenga . The offspring were after the name Kirschental . Biehler took Uwe as his next personal competition dog.

who really is the breeder.

Kirschental modern days is more of a brand name recognition
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Old 08-29-2012, 12:16 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Thanks to everyone..I appreciate all the info.
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Old 08-29-2012, 12:32 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Wondering who the breeder was for Mac if both parents were from Kirschental bloodline? Was he directly from the Kirchental breeders in Germany?

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My puppy Mack is the product of both parents being of Kirschental bloodline. Ive tried to look up as much as I could. Some say that this line has a mix of German Working and Show.. Just trying to understand my pup better. He is actually great..better than I could have hoped for. Im just fascinated with all the lines and the work that go into them. Does anyone have some answers on what Kirshental line are like vs other blood lines? Pros vs Cons? Thanks in advance.
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Old 08-29-2012, 11:23 PM   #16 (permalink)
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The breeder is Vom Rhineland from bouckville ny...its upstate. The woman told be that is the line that she uses only....That is as much as i know.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:36 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Karl Fuller passed away today...may he rest in peace after he was greeted by those who were at the bridge to welcome him 'home'

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Old 09-22-2012, 11:13 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Oh my....what a profound loss for the breed
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Old 09-23-2012, 12:15 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Oh that is so sad. Havoc is Vom Kirschental lines and is a remarkable dog. It is a profound loss.
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Old 09-23-2012, 08:20 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Had dog in seventies, out of Welle v Kirschental, (looking at pedigree now), Welle's mother was Vrigga v Kirschental HGH(who was Bernd v Lierberg daughter) and Welle's sire was Canto v Wienerau.....and the dog was super!
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