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Old 02-22-2012, 12:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Interested to hear what the thoughts of how heavy this line-breeding is?

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I personally think it is a bit heavy for my taste. BUT depending on the dogs and previous litters etc. I would make a judgment on a puppy by that, not neccessarily the line breeding.
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I personally think it is a bit heavy for my taste. BUT depending on the dogs and previous litters etc. I would make a judgment on a puppy by that, not neccessarily the line breeding.
I already know what they have and can potentially produce, I'm simply curious on thoughts of such a close line-breeding.
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IMO I feel that 3,5 - 4,5......................................... in Cordon An-Sat is a bit to much, not sure Cordon's genetic's is strong enough to do this type of breeding
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Would you say its a bit much in general terms like with any dog? or do you feel that Cordon An-Sat himself is not a strong enough dog genetically in health and production to do such a close line-breeding on him?
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From a linebreeding perspective, it looks very normal to many many many showline pedigrees(both American and German), so it must be Okay, right?
Cordon is a very nice dog, so it sounds to me like a "winning" recipe.
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I already know what they have and can potentially produce, I'm simply curious on thoughts of such a close line-breeding.
If you already know the answer... why ask the question? Do you mean, "what do you think of such a close linebreeding on any dog?"
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From a linebreeding perspective, it looks very normal to many many many showline pedigrees(both American and German), so it must be Okay, right?
Cordon is a very nice dog, so it sounds to me like a "winning" recipe.
Is that sarcasm or a genuine comment?

I know Cordon was a very nice dog, but seeing a line-breeding that heavy scares me a little. Wanted to know what others experience are in any other dogs line-bred that heavily. Even if anyone has a dog of their own, or one they've met with line-breeding that heavily, not necessarily on the same dog and what the outcomes were both good and bad.
I already have some professional opinions but I wanted to throw this out there and see if anyone had anything else for input.

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If you already know the answer... why ask the question? Do you mean, "what do you think of such a close linebreeding on any dog?"
Yes that's exactly what I meant Christine!
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Is that sarcasm or a genuine comment?

I know Cordon was a very nice dog, but seeing a line-breeding that heavy scares me a little. Wanted to know what others experience are in any other dogs line-bred that heavily. Even if anyone has a dog of their own, or one they've met with line-breeding that heavily, not necessarily on the same dog and what the outcomes were both good and bad.
I already have some professional opinions but I wanted to throw this out there and see if anyone had anything else for input.

Yes that's exactly what I meant Christine!
Many dogs do quite well with linebreeding that close or closer--most, even, are just fine as far as health or temperament; some are excellent--either because of or despite the linebreeding. Of course, many of the most serious "problems" from really tight in/linebreeding may never be born or not survive much past birth or may just be resorbed in the womb.

I think that there should be a reason *for* a linebreeding, not just "oh, this is pair of dogs I own, so I'll put them together and make puppies." The linebreeding should help achieve some goal and the breeder should be able to tell you what it is.
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What about Cordon scares you? What negative recessives does he possess that would give you concern?? Do the bloodlines of both American and German showlines concern you because they are much more saturated in linebreeding than what you posted......I'm trying to understand the logic of your inquiry.
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